"If you believe that there are no gods or if you do not know if you believe that there is at least one god"

isn't that the basic difference between the two?

atheism: you know there are no gods
agnostic: you don't know whether there are god

http://wordnetweb.princeton .edu/perl/webwn?s=atheism :
  • the doctrine or belief that there is no God
  • a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods

  • http://wordnetweb.princeton .edu/perl/webwn?s=agnostici sm :
    a religious orientation of doubt; a denial of ultimate knowledge of the existence of God. "agnosticism holds that you can neither prove nor disprove God's existence"

    or like I always say: an agnost is an atheist without balls :-)

    now, if you ate your vitamins you too can be an antitheist: active opposition to theism.

    by callisto on 12/22/2008 09:18:42 PM EST

    Atheism means non-belief in a god or gods. Yes, there is a subset of atheists that will claim that they know there is no god, but its the simple absence of belief that is the defining thing.

    Think of it like this... Theism means: belief in a god or gods. The prefix "A" means "without". A-theism therefore means to be "without belief in a god or gods". If you don't live your life under the assumption that god exists, you are an atheist.

    I see agnosticism as a wishy washy term that's so broad in its definition its hardly worth mentioning. How many people say they are agnostic about Zeus? No one right? So on what basis do they dismiss Zeus but remain agnostic about some other conception of god? There is no end to the absurd claims one can make that are unfalsifiable. Other things you can substitue "Zeus" for: fairies, vampires, Thor, invisible pink unicorns, the Flying Spaghetti Monster... you get the point.

    Agnostics, I think, want to avoid calling themselves atheist mostly because of the misconception ytfan17 is dispelling and because of the social stigma associated with the term.

    by mr science on 12/22/2008 10:08:36 PM EST

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    Because as I wrote elsewhere in this thread, when someone says "atheist", far too many people see this.

    by Tom Hanc on 12/22/2008 10:12:18 PM EST

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    it's not my fault people would have that image, it just means they're ignorant or idiots :-)

    on the other hand I think every religious person is a closet gay or a paedophile :-)

    by callisto on 12/23/2008 06:26:33 PM EST

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    my problem is the "are no gods or if you do not know"
    as an atheist I don't make the distinction between belief and know, since I don't have supernatural beliefs. So unless you come with proof of a god or gods, I have no reason to belief "gods" exist.

    and to my defence: if you look it up in dictionaries, encyclopedia and general consensus they support my definition

    he makes the difference between know and belief, something that doesn't come to mind with most people

    atheist will say he doesn't belief or knows there is no god or gods
    agnosts says he doesn't know or belief, probably not, but there's a chance or they don't know

    by callisto on 12/23/2008 06:37:01 PM EST

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