you don't seem to understand what "bias" means. You  seem to equate bias with hate. I never said he hated Hillary.

All I said that he favors Obama, and he will find arguments to support that.  Bias is not derogatory or negative. Bias is different than prejudice.

anti Hillary doesn't equal to hate, either. 

What the hell is "earned it?" It's just politics, where you favor on candidate over another. You can come up with a thousand reasons for why you choose, but you don't earn anything.  

by Hue on 02/20/2008 07:10:45 PM EST

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someone who makes a stupid comment about my username? If there was a rolling eyes emoticon, it would be 100% appropriate here.

Yes, he *now* favors Obama, but you seem to think he was *always* that way, that he *went into* that way as opposed to going into it with a clean slate and trying to break down each candidate based on a variety of factors.


If you recall (you've listened since 2005, right?), he didn't start off supporting Obama.  Over the months he leaned toward a variety of different candidates, and after a good deal of time reviewing the available information, he concluded that Obama was the best choice.


That is NOT the same thing as if Cenk had been pro-Obama, anti-Hillary from Day One, and went on to only or mostly provide negative information and opinion on Hillary (when positive info was also available) and or mostly provide positive information and opinion on Obama (when negative info was also available).  *If* that had been the case, then yes, I'd say he's clearly biased in favor of Obama.

But it wasn't and he isn't.

It's insulting to suggest I don't know what bias is and that I equate it with hate BTW.  Some people have both. I am simply pointing out that Cenk's level of bias (again, acknowledging that *everyone* has some degree of bias to some extent or another) in this case is not noteworthy, at least in my opinion based on what he's said and presented on both candidates.

Again I refer you to those two clips. If you want *zero* bias, build a robot and program it to observe and report on its observations.  Otherwise I don't see the relevance unless the bias reaches a certain threshold, at which point it clearly taints a perspective and calls an individual's credibility into question overall or on a specific issue or set of issues.


by Tom Hanc on 02/20/2008 07:28:26 PM EST

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Or that he went into that way? I didn't.

 

by Hue on 02/20/2008 07:49:55 PM EST

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Look at what you wrote:

"Cenk has his head so far up Obama's ass he can't think straight...He's pro Obama show he will only find arguments to fit his bias...TYT is like a radio, streaming version of DailyKos."

I mean fine, if that's your opinion, that's your opinion. But it's *my* opinion that you couldn't be more wrong.

He's said several times that Obama will not radically transform America and that an Obama presidency is not some kind of panacea.

He's said several times that Obama hasn't really shown much leadership while in the Senate, and that when it came to funding the war, Obama was no better. He makes a reasonable argument that Clinton has been in a much better position (due to her tenure, connections and name recognition) to really lead and challenge Bush but she hasn't.

Finally, to suggest that TYT is some super left wing outfit is just laughable (that's what I take from the DailyKos comment).  If you disagree with that statement, I'd like you to explain Cenk's positions on free trade/NAFTA and the presidencies of Reagan, Bush Sr and Bill Clinton (the guy who "reformed" welfare and pushed through NAFTA and the Telecom Act of 1996).


by Tom Hanc on 02/20/2008 08:01:59 PM EST

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the millionth person to use his username as a point against him.

by Spencer on 02/20/2008 07:47:40 PM EST

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regularly even when i don't always agree with Cenk (still a member), i rarely read or comment in these forums. had no clue about *mr. bias from the beginning*'s username thing. even thought i was kind of clever (hehe), so did the 999,999 other people.

Ben used to balance out Cenk, and Wes is great. Michael is cool too. 

that said, i know a little about kentx, and medfordtim and rev24 

by Hue on 02/20/2008 08:06:15 PM EST

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Cenk needs a good foil, I've written about that a few times!

Although in my opinion, the co-host he needs (ok, he doesn't "need" one as I love the show anyway but it'd be nice to see one like this) is someone like Sam Seder who will challenge him on economic/trade issues, but that's a whole other topic.

by Tom Hanc on 02/20/2008 08:18:53 PM EST

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