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You're wrong again, Ken/bobo1 (none / 0)

People have learned that tax cuts and giveaways can be very bad for the country.  We have only to refer to MedfordTim's article.  When a President's numbers are that low, a dramatic shift has taken place.  Those numbers represent a huge majority of people who reject everything that Bush says.  And they have very little uncertainty about that judgement, as you can tell by looking at the miniscule numbers for undecideds.

In fact, the number of people who support Bush seems to be not much more than the percenta ge of absolutely ignorant people that you would expect to split between both sides in any poll.

Almost 80% disapproval, and the trend in that direction has been developing for several years.  It's not a flash-in-the-pan thing like Bush's numbers right after 9/11, which didn't stay high for nearly as long.

You can't get 75% of Americans to agree about anything for very long.  But they do agree that Bush -- and every pseudo-conservat ive thing he stands for -- is bad for the country.

What's more, we're seeing something that never was possible in the past: The acceptance of a woman and a black man (yeah, I know, but I call myself "white" even though all of us have ancestors from Africa) as valid Presidential candidates.  That, also, is a major sea change.  Immoral, anti-American Republicans already have tried sexist and racist attacks against them but have found those attacks to be roundly rejected by their own members.  And when even Bill Clinton's non-racist attacks were villified, we see that those are impotent weapons (although it also shows that we still have a lot to learn).

I don't know what party you support, Ken/bobo1.  In fact, I'm not even sure that you care the least little bit what happens to our country.  You seem to studiously avoid judgements about what is good and bad about your country -- although I think that is simply because you don't give a damn about what is good or bad for your country.  And although I also am not sure that you care one way or another about the growth and influence of corporate power, I do believe that you are typical of many immoral, anti-American Republicans.  You're just in it for yourself.

And you are being totally rejected by a huge majority of your countrymen.

This is not a gradual swinging of the pendulum back to the left.  This is the train wreck of the ideology promoted by the immoral, anti-American Republican Party.  And because the right-wing media has been trumpeting immoral, anti-American Republican policies constantly over the last two decades, we know that this sea change is something that cannot be overcome by any advertising campaign.

Bush-Dog Democrats will be replaced by progressives.  Republicans will be defeated by Democrats.  Obama will be our next President.  And the left (I'm not interested in degrees from "center") wi ll control two branches of our government.

I have never before felt so confident as to make such a bold prediction, especially not this far before an election.  But for the first time in my life, I think that progressives stand a chance of having a big impact on the course of our country -- it's not a big one, but it's better than every before.

I hope that I'm not wrong, but, KenTX/bobo1, I am certain that you are.

by Juarez Traveller on 02/21/2008 02:39:30 PM EST

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Again Juarez, you show your short-sightedness... (none / 0)
Bobo here (Ken is just a figment of my imagination)...

You show in your response exactly the short sightedness that "Progressives" suffer from in this debate.

I am certainly not going to question Bush's popularity and status as the worst president in our history...he is. I despise the Bushes for everything that they stand for...they are the epitome of Corporatism and greed...on this I think we can agree...

What I am saying is that just because Bush is a creep and evil, that doesn't mean that the people who call themselves Republicans all are too...Im not talking about the die hard Bush supporters, Im talking about people like me who are Anti-Amnesty, Anti NAFTA, Pro Gun, Pro Choice and dont want the government getting into every aspect of our business.

I am talking about small farmers, small business owners, teachers, police officers and common people who are not being heard or represented by either party - The Corporatist Republicans (super rich) or the Amnesty/Progressive Democrats (give away the farm and raise our taxes)

There are ALOT of people like myself who cannot be labeled simply Progressive or Conservative, and the candidates and the media are coming after us...not you, you have already made up your mind...

Bush fortunately is not running in this election. Yes, McCain is just as bad as Bush (and you know my views on him) but Obama does not stand for many of the things I believe in. Yes he'll probably win if nominated, but he isnt going to represent me or my interests. So where does that leave us? 8 more years of somebody NOT doing what we the people want or expect... 

I hate to tell you this, Juarez, BUT THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE WITH VIEWS LIKE MINE THAN THERE ARE PROGRESSIVES OR CONSERVATIVES. I am the voter that Obama or McCain have to convince, and right now, neither of them are too impressive.

This sea of change you describe is coming my friend...its just not gonna be what you hope for or expect. People like me, who are in the majority in this country, will decide the future of this nation...not you.


by bobo1 on 02/21/2008 03:11:41 PM EST

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You've still missed the essential point. (none / 0)
You've learned -- if you've been paying attention at all -- that tax cuts and giveaways can be very damaging your country.

Your education is only beginning.  You will learn over the next few years that other facets of your ideology also are not representative of reality or good for your country.   And that's all that we've wanted: the chance to show you how wrong you have been.

You've done half the job for us by failing.  Now all we have to do is to succeed.

By the way, we're not going to take away your guns yet, although we will prevent the more stupid among you from doing more damage.  And you will give up your guns eventually as more and more of you die off.  Eventually we will have fewer gun deaths and a more peaceful society despite you.  And those other social issues also will become less important as those of you who are educable are educated.

But that's just it: it's the education you will receive that will change our country for the better.  You will resist.  Immoral, anti-American Republicans have been promoting the same failed ideas for generations, even though they never have a positive impact on our country and always cause great damage.  But your influence will wane, and I becoming more convinced th at you won't be hindering our progress for very much longer.

The world will become a better place despite you.

by Juarez Traveller on 02/21/2008 03:40:08 PM EST

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That's less of a "true liberal" and... (none / 0)
... more of a Communist.

I consider myself a true liberal and I am pro-2nd Amendment, for starters.

I don't want anyone's income, personally.  What I want is for everyone to agree that a portion of our productivity has to go to support the commons.  Most people in this country can agree on that.  Then I want us to agree on what is required to have a well-functioning commons -- specifically, that government needs to be in control of life and death issues like the military, police and health care.  That's really it.  That's certainly the limit of my "socialism" and I think that's the case for most other folks here too.

I think hate crime legislation is utter bullshit.  Hate crimes are why we have judges -- to throw the book at reprehensible assholes.  We don't need extra law.

by jarett on 02/22/2008 02:50:25 AM EST

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Does it really matter what you say about me? (none / 0)

Well, you do seem pretty dense at times, bobo1/KenTX. 
We know now that you are a liar and a fraud.  Your judgments about others mean nothing.

by Juarez Traveller on 02/22/2008 12:17:31 AM EST

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