Clinton/Obama - maybe; Obama/Clinton never | 21 comments (21 topical, 0 hidden)
On Policy Proposals... (none / 0)
Hey, again, please dont get me wrong. I LIKE OBAMA AND WILL VOTE FOR HIM IF HE IS THE NOMINEE!!!

That being said...any college graduate with half of a brain cell can write and make policy statements sound good. Having worked on local campaigns in my past, generally they are just outlines with fluff added in to sound good.

I would venture to say that he better have good sounding policy thoughts, because he hasn't had time to do JACK in the senate in 2 years!! nobody is that influential or powerful in a body like the senate in that short time span. He cant run on record, only on ideas and ideals, which sound good on TV, but really dont provide voters with Evidence (something I get accused of not providing enough on this blog) that he is capable of running the Federal government to support his ideas.

Remember, we are looking at best 60-40 in the Senate, a little better in the house, and the President (with normal Presidential Power) cannot do it all on his own. he's gonna need help. Are Republican Conservatives gonna help him. HELL NO...If you think they are, you are seriously delusional on how government works.

As for electability, I dont want to come across as a Hillary supporter, IM NOT. I cant stand her, to tell you the whole truth (a lot of it is that sexist thing we discussed earlier!) I'll vote for Obama in a heartbeat over anyone else running at this point. I just dont think that this momentum is going to build into this Kennedy-esque powerhouse all the way until November.

He is going to be scrutinized (eviscerated) by the Republicans and the media looking for a good story. And dont forget ole buddy Rezco from Chicago...thats coming up VERY SHORTLY, im sure the Republicans in the courts will make sure of that. At least with the Clintons, we already know their demons. Most people (even Republicans) have passed on their indiscretions.

As VP, Obama would be shielded from much of this scrutiny, have his chance to build 8 years of solid independent reputation and be the frontrunner and shoe in in 2016. Clinton is only going to let him succeed if it makes her and her legacy look good!!! Its just simple facts, people!!!


But then, simple facts are anyone is better than a Republican!!


Thanks for your input.

by bobo1 on 02/06/2008 10:42:25 PM EST

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But the guy (none / 0)
is incredibly intelligent, articulate and thoughtful, and seems to have good judgment overall.

The president isn't expected to be the perfect human.  He would just need to sorround himself with a solid VP and cabinet to fill in some of those experience blanks, at which point his intelligence, and judgment will MORE than make up for it. 

And his passion and inspiring speeches would, well, *inspire* much of America, which is a critical x-factor in his potential effectiveness as a leader.  And as Cenk said the other day, electing him sends a powerful message to much of the world (not to mention America) on several levels, which is a great bonus.

Finally, the media seems to LIKE him overall, especially relative to Hillary.  Who needs Rezko when you can pull out the old, already written storylines from the 90's?  You can say there's nothing there of substance, but so what, that doesn't stop BS from influencing people.

Whitewater, Lewinsky, the Iraq War Vote/Iran Resolution, "mandated healthcare" and on and on.  You think the media can resist bringing this nonsense (well, the Iraq/Iran stuff is real, but the rest is junk) up, despite the lack of relevance overall? If you do we're not watching the same TV stations.

by Tom Hanc on 02/06/2008 10:59:29 PM EST

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I agree and disagree... (none / 0)
I think Obama is very intelligent, likable and a better choice overall yes, but Cenk was mentioning today about the "information Gap" that exists, where dummies vote for name recognition and popularity (again, among the general public) Hillary Clinton (better yet Bill Clinton). Obama isnt gonna beat her in OHIO, TEXAS and PENNSYLVANIA, heavy establishment democratic states. (yes, the 3 democrats in Texas are heavy into DLC establishment - thats how they keep their jobs in redneck Texas {wink wink Ken TX})

Again, I like Obama, but Hillary is too entrenched into the Democratic Party as it stands today. She is the Bill Clinton Legacy candidate. Think of the Democratic Party as a giant fraternity (or sorority in this case).

I think if Obama gets the nod, he better surround himself with some Democrats with HUEVOS OF STEEL in terms of credibility and class.

As for potential scandal, I think the American public would actually sympathize with Hillary if all of that Gennifer Flowers, Whitewater crap came back up. Why rehash all of that, it would sound and be tired and old! I dont think the people would buy it again (some would, but they are republicans anyway who wont vote for Democrats anyway)

A new scandal like Rezko and whatever else the Republicans pull out of their hat will be new and more exciting against Obama, forever tarnishing his Kennedy-Esque aura to him. Everybody loves to tear down the nice innocent guy (especially in this case unfortunately because hes black and it could potentially revert to TYPICAL BLACK GUY BEHAVIOR) This would damage Obama among Independents, a group he will be struggling with McCain for.

I sure hope this doesnt happen, but do you trust the Lamestream media? I sure as Hell dont...


Thanks for your comments!



by bobo1 on 02/06/2008 11:29:02 PM EST

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Clinton/Obama - maybe; Obama/Clinton never | 21 comments (21 topical, 0 hidden)