De-Evolution | 40 comments (40 topical, 0 hidden)
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All this intelligence and you all missed it.

This is why we lose elections.

America is an overwhelmingly Christian nation. In fact most Liberals are christian in faith.

Faith matters to voters and this is why pubs use "family values" to such effect.

Denigrating the christian faith is not the way to win elections.

Our enemies use things like evolution to set the values table to their advantage.

I offered a means to take "evolution" off that table.

Make fun of me if you want but I do believe in god and I will continue to pray for a Dem victory come November

Once again Happy Easter

by LORD FOUL on 03/23/2008 08:36:17 AM EST

Thanks for Trying (none / 0)

But such efforts always will be doomed to failure, and the reason is simple:

Evolution and Creation are two completely different subjects with different purposes.  One is based on logic and skepticism and the other is based on faith and the suspension of disbelief.  One wants to promote the growth of knowledge, the other wants to promote conformity.  They really have nothing to do with each other except that they both propose to describe past events that led to the existence of human beings.

Adding to the problem is the fact that religionists, despite their stance against evolution, can't agree on what "Creation" means.  There are two stories of "Creation" in Genesis, and they conflict with each other.  But for religionists to use the Bible as the basis for their proposals, they must embrace both of them.  Because of that, religionists will never be able to use precise language or logic.  Nor can they ever admit it if they want to maintain their organizations.

The conflict will not be solved until humans evolve more in their mental abilities.  I give us a hundred years or so.  As a species, we're assimilating knowledge faster all the time, and even though the United States has given up on maintaining the best educational system in the world and is willing to settle for much less, other countries do want their children to be the smartest in the world.  Unless we emphasize superior education as we used to, the rest of the world will pass us -- as some countries have already -- and America will become irrelevant.  Much of the world will come to look at us as we currently look at more primitive cultures in southeast Asia, Africa, and South America.  They will say, "oh, how quaint!  Maybe we should try to preserve some of that primitive culture before it completely disappears,"

The correct answer to that question is the same as ours with respect to primitive cultures today: to preserve it in history books, but to let it die.

That would be a good thing for humanity.  But it's up to us to decide how irrelevant we want to become.

by EveningStarNM on 03/23/2008 12:03:55 PM EST

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Cretionism (none / 1)
is religious dogma masquerading as science in order to be included in school curriculum


by Chinese Democracy on 03/23/2008 01:21:00 PM EST

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2 things (none / 0)
1) I believe that Evolution should be taught in public school (I don't believe in forcing my beliefs upon anyone)

2) So stop trying to force your beliefs upon me, stop giving me the tongue

Thank you and have a pleasant day

by LORD FOUL on 03/23/2008 01:42:12 PM EST

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You are correct, CD (none / 0)

by EveningStarNM on 03/23/2008 05:10:38 PM EST

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respectfully disagree (none / 0)
True, that religion are 2 different animals.

That doesn't stop the pubs from using it to protect their agena (like the denial of global warming) Did you notice how threatened the Pubs were when Huckabee was making waves. It wasn't his religious dogma they feared it was his Liberal positions on things like taxes and the poor. Their is a big difference between somebody who actually has moral values and someone who pays lip service to them.

People of faith care about the poor but like everyone else they can be easily deceived

I believe that science proves the wisdom of God's creation. My theory (I believe) could remove evolution as an issue and strike a blow for truth (another Godly trait).

by LORD FOUL on 03/23/2008 02:01:29 PM EST

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unfortunately... (none / 0)
A lot of christians are not willing to link creation to evolution like you are.  As much as i disagree with your theory, it is much better than the purely creationism argument.  I would dare to say that if a god sits by and lets things happen on their own, as in evolution, then god isn't really all that mystical anyway

by chrisandyasemin on 03/23/2008 02:36:35 PM EST

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Mystical (none / 0)
This point of view has not been presented to most Christians. In fact, the few I have run this theory by were very receptive. Off-handedly dismissing religion costs us votes unnecessarily.

I do not believe that God has his hand in everything that happens. Otherwise there would be no suffering, no pain, no sadness and no death. One of the great mysteries of faith is the importance of choice and our ability to chose beween right and wrong, good and bad.

Would we have grown as a people if God handed us everything?

I acknowledge that you could very well be right. But I choose to believe differently. Just because I believe in God doesn't mean that I have to disagree with science. It also doesn't mean that I assume that non-believers are evil

There is nothing wrong with a healthy respect for others, whether you "believe" or not

by LORD FOUL on 03/23/2008 03:17:49 PM EST

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Before I'm written off as an Atheist... (none / 0)
I must admit that I do not think that Atheism is necessarily correct either.  I see Einstein's universal thory of relativity as being the closest thing to "god" as we can possibly imagine.  It seems that there is this undying urge to give "god" a human-like intelligenc e, and this seems to convolute a lot of interpretations of what god is.  If "god" is a unifying force that keeps the universe together on it's smallest scale, then wouldn't that be all-powerful to an extent?  I just have a hard time linking any sort of human emotion to god...it is very egocentric of us to think that "god" is anything like a human...obviously there is that scripture about being made in "his" image, but there is also the time on Mt. Sinai that god appears in a cloud, because "the appearance is too brilliant for human understanding"...i understand the desire to link the creationism story and god to evolution, but at the same time, it still gives the false sense that "god" is the one driving evolution, and not nature.  Now, if you want to start describing "god" as all natural events...then you're not really christian anymore...and to say that god does not have a hand in suffering or death is to give god credit for all things good, and absolve it from all things we perceive as bad...this is a common practice among religions to shape "god" based on our understanding of good and bad.  this means that death is not good or bad, it simply is.  In our lives, it takes on positive and negative qualities, but in the big picture, you cannot have life without death, so death cannot possibly be bad.  I am not dismissing religion, in fact, I spent the earliest years of my life studying it RELIGIOUSLY...(unfortunatel y).  I have taken ideas from Christianity, Hinduism, Taoism, Islam, and integrated them into my values, however some things from each religion must be critically examined.  After these examinations, and comparisons with scientific research, it is hard not to sound dismissive of religion, but it is because of so much evidence to say that parts of these religions are wrong...(i.e. stoning someone to death for blasphemy)

by chrisandyasemin on 03/23/2008 05:14:01 PM EST

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A pantheist! A pantheist! (none / 0)

Another scientific pantheist!  RUN!!!

(The only reason that I don't dismiss religion is because it still has so many adherents.  But our species learns, and although their primitive beliefs have held back our progress for centuries, their ideology will not last forever.  As I said, people want to use logic.  I expect that one day there won't even be any scientific pantheists like me, and that also will be a good thing.  But wouldn't it be interesting to see what comes next?)

by EveningStarNM on 03/23/2008 05:28:39 PM EST

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what is a pantheist??? (none / 0)
I guess I am a naturalistic pantheist huh?  I wasn't even familiar with the term until today, but apparently they hold a very common viewpoint with me...amazingly enough though, I still think Taoism has the best fundamental inclusion of scientific properties into their belief structure.  A lot of the things that Taoists believe, like the Macrocosm vs. the microcosm, are untestable, yet we have experiences that will mimic these situations( i.e. hope to manifestation) 

by chrisandyasemin on 03/23/2008 08:23:48 PM EST

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