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I said it, I'll defend it (5.00 / 2)

I have actually sat and watched peopel here defend Wright's comments, in fact stating that HE IS RIGHT.

Really, this is why we lose elections. Yes he's right we nuked Japan (people of color) Ignoring that those people of color attacked us. Convienently ignoring the fact that those people of color committed atrocities against other people of color (China,Korea the Philipines just to name a few) but Obama supporters are very experienced at letting little important facts like that slip right by.

Yes, Wright was right. If you have only heard the twenty seconds soundbites, you are not hearing what he said and you are not being presented the overall point. Or, maybe you have a different belief system.

We did not have to drop the A-bombs on Japan. They were losing. Yes, it undoubtedly saved a large number of Americans from being casualties. Not the point. The point is that we made a policy decision to use a weapon of mass destruction. That act had repercussions, good and bad.

In 1990, Saudi Arabia allowed the U.S. to have air bases within their country in order to fight the Gulf War. A rich and influential Saudi Wahabi fundamentalist by the name of Osama Bin Laden took great umbrage at this, seeing it as a desecration of his holy land. He began recruiting like minded zealots and together they mounted attacks against the "infidels" - not just America but anyone, including other Muslims, who were seen as intruders. In the case of the U.S., Osama Bin Laden and his followers had (and have) a disagreement with foreign policy issues.

Since Bin Laden knew that America was all in favor of violent incursions into other countries' politics and had used tactics of terror in the past, he took it for granted that this was an acceptable form of expression. Timothy McVeigh had a similar point of view about American domestic policy in regards to Ruby Ridge and Waco. He also took it for granted that mass murder was an acceptable form of expression. Since the U.S. had used such actions in the past, it only stood to reason that the same actions would be taken against her at some point.

This is called "chickens coming home to roost."

Wright did not condone the actions. He explained them. He understood them. He understood that 9/11 was not something which occurred in a vacuum with no precipitating factor. Rather than tell his congregation that it happened because Gay people were getting married or Muslims hate America for it's freedoms, he laid bare the underlying cancer which leads to atrocities.

There is a reason that every culture which has ever existed has come up with a form of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

The shameful thing for every one of those cultures is, we have never learned how to live up to that simple credo.

by MedfordTim on 03/26/2008 12:57:49 AM EST

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Five star rating for that post. (none / 0)

SAM: What's new, Normie?
NORM: Terrorists, Sam. They've taken over my stomach and they're demanding beer.

by Spinny on 03/26/2008 08:11:14 AM EST

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I basically agree (none / 0)
but you gotta admit the thing about the government inventing AIDS was crazy like a fox.

by hazmat on 03/26/2008 12:49:55 PM EST

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but not alone... (none / 0)
Let me be clear: I don't care nor do I have any theories about how AIDS started. Yes, I think Rev. Wrights views on it are far fetched. However, in HIS community, it ain't such a peculiar notion...

Rev. Wright and PEPFAR, AIDS Complicity

Rev. Jeremiah Wright's comments about the government lying about AIDS are not isolated to black America, not even isolated to America at all, but are shared globally. They are not confined to conspiracy theorists or wackos, as difficult as that may be for some people hearing the concept for the first time to understand. Rev. Wright has said,

The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.


The first African woman to ever win a Nobel Peace Prize, Wangari Maathai, shares these views,

In fact it (the HIV virus) is created by a scientist for biological warfare. Why has there been so much secrecy about AIDS? When you ask where did the virus come from, it raises a lot of flags. That makes me suspicious.



In 2005, a survey by the Rand Corporation found that half, that's right, one in every two black Americans think AIDS is man-made, more than half believe the government has a cure they are withholding from the poor, and a quarter believe it was created in a government laboratory. As Phil Wilson, founder and Executive Director of the Black AIDS Institute, said in the Washington Post when the study was released,

It's a huge barrier to HIV prevention in black communities. There's an issue around conspiracy theory and urban myths. Thus we have an epidemic raging out of control, and African Americans are being disproportionately impacted in every single sense.



Legitimate scientists and public health experts counter every argument at AIDS Truth.org. If you have doubts, please visit that site.

by MedfordTim on 03/26/2008 02:09:32 PM EST

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Why of course it's always the evil WHITE MAN (none / 0)
Of course AIDS was invented by the White Man.
After all as the followers of the Reverend Alijah Mohammad and his successor the Reverend Louis Farrakhan, (the man Reverend Wright and the church of "he who must not be named" gave an award to) will tell you WHITE MEN are the result of an experiment by an ancient evil black scientist Yakub. White men are "a race of devils". An experiment gone horribly horribly wrong.

Now I know that "he who must not be named" has denounced Reverend Farrakhan, and I know that he has denounced the comments by Reverend Wright, and I know he doesn't believe any of the things his friend, mentor, and uncle like figure of twenty years believes. So I suppose it's time for all of us "WHITE DEVILS" to step up to the plate and take responsibility for all the crazy things Reverend Wright has said. We must admit that all evil in the world stems for our existence. THE WHITE MAN MADE HIM DO IT! IT'S ALL WHITEY'S FAULT!

So please don't judge a man by the company he keeps or the people his church admires and awards, judge him by what he says, like "I'm a compassionate conservative." .. .....NO WAIT! That might not be the best example but you get what I'm trying to say.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 03/26/2008 09:07:58 PM EST

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Hubble? (none / 0)

That doesn't sound like you. Feel the need to vent? I know how it is.

by MedfordTim on 03/26/2008 09:32:20 PM EST

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Hubble is frustrated (none / 0)
He sees his party being hijacked by a bunch of naïve zealots, with a modern religion, and he's just venting his frustration.

He is certain that Democrats are running off the cliff, when they should have been guaranteed an easy victory in 2008.

He knows several lifelong Democrats who are talking about voting McCain if Obama is the nominee. (I know a few myself.)

He feels the same way I would have felt if Mike Huckabee had won the GOP nomination. 

by KenTX on 03/26/2008 09:40:43 PM EST

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Tim (none / 0)
I know how it is to be a true believer. I was almost one myself a long long time ago, but I could never bring myself to take that final leap of faith.

The Art of War tells us
“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not your enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle."

The young zealots may or may not know themselves, but I'm afraid that for all the clamoring of knowledge they really don't know the enemy.

"A superior leader who calculates the distance or proximity of dangers and obstructions and moves with confidence anywhere in his environment, is on the path to victory."

Unfortunately the headstrong disciples don't believe or choose not to understand that the theatre of the absurd I just preformed is only a slight exaggeration of the type of campaign the opposition is going to unleash, and I have seen absolutely nothing that convinces me that Obama's campaign is up to the challenge. You can only play the race card so many times before people get tuned out and start listening to the other side. Obama is maybe 2 cards away from using his race card hand up.

Bill and Hillary once beloved of the Black community are now racist. Geraldine Ferraro, one of the strongest records on civil rights in the history of Congress is now a racist. Any one who question the statements of Rev. Wright and his support of Louis Farrakhan don't understand the Black culture and are racist. That may work among the crowd of liberals who suffer from "White Guilt", but it's not going to work in Middle America, and I don't care how fucked up Bush is, the Republicans have almost 9 months to convince the great uninformed masses who get their news in 30 second sound bits that genuine war hero and regular guy"Uncle John" isn't Shrub, and he isn't really going to keep the troops in Iraq for 100 years. Even if those Right Wing Religious Wack Jobs did endorse Uncle John, he didn't spend twenty years in the pews listening to them, and they certainly weren't his mentors. Oh yeah the Dems control Congress and you know how bad it is for one Party to controll everything, so come on how bad could four more years be.

I want to win, but what I've seen so for doesn't inspire me. I wish I could drink the KoolAid but I think I might be allergic or immune.

I still respect your opinion and comments, we just happen to not agree on this one thing. I pray you're right and I'm wrong on this one, BUT........

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 03/26/2008 10:22:39 PM EST

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No problem (none / 0)

Just seemed that the response didn't quite fit the post. You know how easily I get confused.

Well, hell, what can I do? Gravel (except for that tax thing) was closest to me in social responsibility mindset, but the more conservative types dominated again. Of the three left, Obama is the closest to Liberal.

And, yeah, I am impressed by his speechifyin'. I'm a rank sentimentalist under this gruff exterior and he hits a few of my buttons.

As far as awards from his church to anyone, Cheney put it best: so? Who cares and why would they? WTF does it have to do with Obama's job performance? Should we find out who his grocery store's Employee of the Month has been for the last 10 years? Awards are cheap - Kissinger and Arafat both got Nobels! Is it just some backhanded attempt to convey the idea that Obama is a Farrakhan puppet who will turn the country over to the Brotherhood on Jan. 23rd? Do you believe that? I don't.

'Dourse, I'm one of them what thinks it's all moot, anyhow, and that the numbers are all in Obama's column, and the big thing to me is to get oit a "vote straight D" campaign for November. Wish there was time for a "boot out the incumbent" campaign and get fresh blood in some of those Dem seats too. Except Ron Wyden's, of course...

by MedfordTim on 03/26/2008 11:14:33 PM EST

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Abomba (none / 0)
Yes estimates were into the millions dead, not to mention wounded in an allied landing of Japan. Last time I checked Japan was one of our closest allies. and the bad repercussions were? Americans coming home alive and in one piece?

Are you afraid to live in the real world. Actions have results that can be good or bad. Are we supposed to be afraid because some religious nut case might be offended.

I guess we should not have liberated Kuwait right?

We should have stayed out of Kosovo too right?

Abortion for example. I guess bombing abortion clinics are chickens coming home to roost for legalizing abortion right?


I guess saying foolish things and getting called on the carpet for them, is also chickens coming home to roost.

I guess associating yourself with an obvious bigot and facing questions about it, is also chickens coming home to roost.

Oh but the outrage over Farwell or Robertson or Hagee or Parsley eh!

Every American should be appalled by not only what he said but how he said it.

Yup, Clinton screwed the black man just like Lewinski, How appropriate with children in the audience no less. 

I wonder, who would he be supporting if Obama wasn't in the race?

Clinton, now that's Chickens coming home to roost indeed.


by LORD FOUL on 03/27/2008 08:47:06 AM EST

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Probably shouldn't, but I gotta ask (none / 1)

Every American should be appalled by not only what he said but how he said it.

Really. Why "should" I?

by MedfordTim on 03/27/2008 04:55:22 PM EST

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If you have to ask (none / 0)
Then I cannot help you.

How you say something is almost as important as what you say

His references were also way off and obviously "politically" motivated instead of morally motivated.

As I said. If Obama wasn't in the race would he have been lecturing about how Bill fucked the black man ( I seriously doubt it) Just like his implication that Hillary was never called a nigger (she has been called nigger lover on more than one occassion). I guess the fact that Obama has been called a nigger makes him more qualified to be president. Being called a bitch and a niggerlover doesn't. I guess it does if you are talking to a black audience right?

Nagasaki? Hiroshima? (While ignoring the fact that Japan started the war, ignoring the countless atrocities committed by the japanese against civilians). Obviously in Rev. Wright's world it is perfectly ok to committ atrocities just as long as there is a lil color to your skin.


Now the AP is reporting that Obama would have left the church if Wright would have stayed. Speaks for itself doesn't it.

by LORD FOUL on 03/28/2008 01:22:20 PM EST

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Doesn't answer the question (none / 0)

All that blah blah is fine and dandy, but it doesn't supply any reason why "Every American should be appalled by not only what he said but how he said it. "

Or, are you more interested in the drive-by aspect than explaining your stance?

by MedfordTim on 03/28/2008 01:47:50 PM EST

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Like I said (none / 0)
If you don't "get it" then I can't help you.

White america created AIDs and it is his responsibility to let every black person know it. So that they will love this country and love the white man even more right

He only Damns white america so that black america will better understand the plight of the white man.

he only mentions the bad things the white man has done so the black man can better empathize with his white brothers and sisters.

because lets face it Hillary doesn't know what it is like to be called a nigger.

I only teach love for the evil, twisted white people, who hold us down at every opportunity.

The liberation of SE Asia in WWII was a racist act

The Liberation of Kolsovo was a racist act

The Liberation of kuwait was a racist act

and all those acts led to 911 because our racist chickens came home to roost.

The fact that Obama is appalled by Wrights statements and you are not speaks volumes. Or is your hero lying for political reasons?

by LORD FOUL on 03/28/2008 03:58:53 PM EST

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Oh, I see. You're insane. (none / 0)

If that is what you got from his words, YOU'RE the twisted individual here. Making Wright out to be a mirror image of David Duke might make you feel better in some odd way, but you missed the point of what he was saying altogether.

by MedfordTim on 03/28/2008 04:54:32 PM EST

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yup (none / 0)
I am insane

What was that Obama said on the view?

Guilty as charged

by LORD FOUL on 03/28/2008 06:07:49 PM EST

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Tim, we got Wright's point. (none / 0)
We're trying to sweep it under the rug and forget about it (for now). We plan to analyze these issues in greater detail, after Obama wins the nomination.

August is always a slow news month. Remember August 2004? John Kerry sure remembers.

by KenTX on 03/28/2008 10:59:47 PM EST

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Lord Foul (none / 0)
This post exhibits brilliant reasoning, but please stop for now.

Let us resume this discussion on the day after Obama wins the nomination.

by KenTX on 03/28/2008 11:03:01 PM EST

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Response to David | 35 comments (35 topical, 0 hidden)