Cenk Uygur owes us explanation regarding Armenian Genocide | 37 comments (37 topical, 0 hidden)
In defense of the poster (none / 0)
"Oh, shut up!
We have to go through this every year or so."
 
Beg pardon? I guess I wasn't around this board a year ago. If I had a left paper trail this embarassing, I would expect someone to dredge it up from time to time.
 
Since Cenk was only around 20 in 1991, I'm happy to dismiss the first example as the folly of a young hothead. But given that he was still spouting the same denialist line eight years later when he ought to have known better (even if he was a Republican) I for one would like to hear what if anything he thinks of his remarks today.
 
Cenk wasn't around in 1915; few of us were. Do you really think that means it doesn't matter Tim? Really?

by ashbul on 03/03/2008 10:16:52 PM EST

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Precisely (none / 0)
Well said...and to all you Cenk defenders, to your favourite host: ..."just calm down"...it's the moral issue that is at stake here, Cenk had clearly been in the denialists’ camp before, whether or not he still is remains unclear...that's why he needs to clarify his position, on the air or in the forum

by atillathehun on 03/04/2008 12:12:31 AM EST

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What do you want him to say/ (none / 0)
What exactly are you looking for in this post?

Cenk could come out and say "Yes, it happened, Turks killed Armenians in massive numbers and it was ignored by the West (as usual)."

Whats your point here? We all know it happened - that many people dying in that short amount of time doesnt just happen! It was a genocide. What about it?

What can be done now? Recognition? Retribution? Show me the money? Those alive in 1915 are gone...

Turks and Armenians are always gonna hate each other
(just like the French and English, Catholics and  Protestants in Northern Ireland, Persians and Greeks, Arabs and Israelis) Just get in line, man...

Thanks...

by bobo1 on 03/04/2008 12:20:49 AM EST

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The simple answer: (none / 0)
I'd like to see him address some things he wrote a few years ago which I find kind of disturbing. Even if he already  did so before.

by ashbul on 03/04/2008 12:31:26 AM EST

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OK... (none / 0)
I can appreciate that...

thanks...

by bobo1 on 03/04/2008 12:34:37 AM EST

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Don't be fooled, Bobo (none / 0)

This is nonsense. IF I were Cenk, I'd say, "I don't OWE you a DAMN thing. If I spent ANY time at all dissing Armenians, you might have a case in pursuing this nonsense. But I DON'T. Who are you to come into MY house and start DEMANDING things?"

If "Atilla" had asked a simple question, it might be different. This SOB came in guns blazing with brain in nuetral. Screw him.

If Cenk spent any time whatsoever on this subject on the show, "Atilla" might be justified in asking. This jerk is demanding an explanation of a "letter to the editor," NOT an editorial on Huffington Post, NOT something Cenk said on the show, NOT some position spouted on a TV show.

As has been stated MANY times before; we are in America, ot os after the year 2000, and the meaning of the phrase "young turk" means a up-and-coming go getter, not a member of an elite killer organization.

Does "Atilla" also want an explanation from Rod Stewart an how he could dare sing a song called Young Turks?

Why the fuck can't these morons focus on the millions of people being killed TODAY instead of perseverating on the fate of the long dead?
 
It boils down to him not requsting info or asking a question. He kicked in the door and started making demands. The ONLY answer he deserves under such circumstances is "Go to hell!"

by MedfordTim on 03/04/2008 10:23:59 AM EST

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True as well... (none / 0)
I wouldnt think to say Cenk or anyone in his family had the responsibility to say anything, but ethnic histories such as these often bring out irrational thought and blindeness to reality. I didnt realize this was an ongoing issue with certain listeners.

I suppose people have the right to ask, but it is up to Cenk whether he chooses to engage in the discussion...

Thanks...

by bobo1 on 03/04/2008 10:54:04 AM EST

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Exactly (none / 0)
"Who are you to come into MY house and start DEMANDING things?"

That's what I'm saying, and that's how I meant my own original reply.  Cenk owes him nothing.

Testify, MedfordTim!

SAM: What's new, Normie?
NORM: Terrorists, Sam. They've taken over my stomach and they're demanding beer.

by Spinny on 03/04/2008 10:58:04 AM EST

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I'm not pumped up. (none / 0)

This is an open forum. It is not the Cenk Uygur love feast.

The poster did ask a simple question, as far as I can see. I did not detect any blazing guns. He reprinted some things Cenk wrote, and asked for a clarification. Doesn't matter if they were written for the show or the Huffington post or a tiny student newspaper. They were meant for public eyes.

Has Cenk addressed this before? Maybe, but as a public figure he might have to get used to having his old words thrown back at him now and then. I don't know how the poster stumbled on these old rants, but having found them he has every right to ask about them. If Tim or anyone cares to defend Cenk they might provide a helpful link to one of his prior rebuttals. But they have no business shooting the messenger.

I know that perseverating on the fate of the long dead gets tiresome, but some people just can't give it up.

by ashbul on 03/04/2008 04:45:16 PM EST

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Bad manners (none / 1)

Right. An open forum. Not a love fest, but the man deserves a little respect at his own site. He doesn't owe anyone anything.

How did he find them? It's called "Google." They both come up very quickly. And as of today, there are three entries I saw rather quickly highlighting "Cenk Uygur owes us explanation regarding Armenian Genocide"

Now, how does that look to someone who stumbles across it? It sounds like Cenk is personally being blamed for murdering Armenians.

That SUCKS, ashbul. It is not fair to Cenk and it is not fair to The Young Turks show. If ol' Atilla really wanted to know about Cenk and Armenians, why didn't he ask Ana???

Because that wasn't the point. Being an ass was. And your kind of being an ass saying he asked "a simple question". A simple question would have been "Does the name of the show have anything to do with World War One?" Or, Atilla could have clicked on the "About the Show" link and seen the definition prominently displayed there.

But, no.

He got exactly the response he wanted. Mea culpa.

by MedfordTim on 03/04/2008 05:09:31 PM EST

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Culpa mea, but... (none / 0)

Man, I'm not getting it. I had to scroll to the top and reread Atilla's original words to see where you got the idea that he was on some kind of hunting expedition to bag the beloved Uygur. There's nothing there. Of course he Googled "Cenk Uygur" to see what came up. And was maybe a bit troubled by something he found.

Possibly the title he chose ("Cenk Uygur owes us explanation...") was too brazen, but I don't know why you think he's on some kind of anti-Turkish trip. This is nothing like that weird posting of a couple of months ago from someone who'd obviously never watched the show, demanding to know how "these young Turks" can face themselves in the mirror or whatever it said.

Also, I don't consider this to be Cenk's site; it is The Young Turks' site, and that is me and you as much as the Captain.

by ashbul on 03/04/2008 06:03:31 PM EST

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That's my sig file, not directed at anyone (none / 0)
It's a quote about being excited over the current Dem primary.  It wasn't part of my post, except in that context, as is true of all sig files.

SAM: What's new, Normie?
NORM: Terrorists, Sam. They've taken over my stomach and they're demanding beer.

by Spinny on 03/05/2008 08:45:18 AM EST

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I think it doesn't matter (none / 0)

...bercause Cenk has repeatedly addressed the issue and he really DOESN'T need to keep doing it every year.

If the poster was so adept at finding THESE two, he should have done a little bit more and found the rebuttals. They ARE out there.

Cenk is nobody's dancing monkey.

by MedfordTim on 03/04/2008 09:09:28 AM EST

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Just a few (none / 0)
So...really, I don't have an opinion on this subject. If there was a genocide, or even a mass killing for that matter, there should be apologies. On that matter, however, patience is warranted (not that it should be). We just apologized for slavery !!!

http://www.theyoungturks.co m/story/2009/4/7/165157/377 3/Diary/Turkish-Armenian-Pr oblem

http://www.theyoungturks.co m/story/2009/1/4/20522/1979 8/Diary/armenian-Genocide-o n-TYT-

http://www.theyoungturks.co m/story/2008/4/27/18329/593 0/Diary/Should-the-U-S-Sena te-recognize-the-Armenian-g enocide-

by LadyFriend on 06/28/2009 03:30:55 PM EST

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