If You Thought The Debate Sucked... | 28 comments (28 topical, 0 hidden)
Everyone does remember that... (none / 0)
Stephanopolis (yeah i probably spelled his name wrong, but fuck him so, whatever) was part of the Clinton White House. I know that hasn't stopped him from attacking both Clintons or allowing himself to be puppeted (is that a word?) by right wingnuts for their talking points but maybe it played a part.

Alternate theory: They've bought into the argument that Obama will be thought of as an elitist and they want to be seen by the public as their champion in attacking him.

On completely unrelated sidenotes:
 
Man, does it suck to be too busy to keep up or post these days, hope to be back on a regular basis not to long from now (yes i saw the message nobias, no i didn't check out the post but will be sure to keep up with any upcoming ones).

And... I never thought of myself as someone who needed credit for stuff but... I e-mailed you the links to Obama's 2004 Charlie Rose interview before YESTERDAY'S show, Cenk & Dave, not even a mention? (Disclaimer: I was pointed to those links in a post on Firedoglake, and the clip w/the relevant comments was cut by TalkingPointsMemo so I didn't actually do any real research deserving of credit. Nevertheless, I'm sure I will still be outraged enough to e-mail the guys about it in the morning.)

Sorry for the temp thread hijack, talk to u all again someday.

by Weapon X on 04/17/2008 01:55:58 AM EST

Sad Day (none / 0)

How did a guy named Weapon X not jump in to our Marvel geekfest?

by ProfRich on 04/17/2008 01:58:28 AM EST

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Haven't been on the site enough lately (none / 0)
but i did have a slightly extended chat a week or two ago with a couple other Turkletons (I'm still sticking with that as the term for us viewers) about comic books. I'm sure we outgeeked many people and drove them out of chat. This was while the chat room was on the page during rolling postgame or something.

Rest assured, I will chime in if and when I see anything comic-geek related (comic-geek-related? proper grammar is beyond my reach at this late hour)

by Weapon X on 04/17/2008 02:03:15 AM EST

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Yes (none / 0)

He should have been there, it was a good time.  But I'm sure it'll happen again.  I'm too much of a geek not to drag it kicking and screaming into another topic innappropriately.

And Weapon X, never mind the hijack, just please CALL OR EMAIL ABC.  They need to hear how much they suck.  Hope you're back more regularly soon BTW.

by Spencer on 04/17/2008 02:05:01 AM EST

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Thanks, spencer (none / 0)
I will definately call from work tomorrow, along with my scheduled phone calls to senators re:FISA.

Thanks for looking up and posting the info, that takes the laziness aspect out of it and helps immensely.

by Weapon X on 04/17/2008 02:12:12 AM EST

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Also (none / 0)

Isn't Charlie Gibson the douche bag who thought college professor make 200k+?  And that most Americans benefited from the tax cut on the rich?

That guy is trying to call Obama an elitist? 

That is like bobo trying to call Ken a conservative.

by ProfRich on 04/17/2008 02:00:01 AM EST

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Lol (none / 0)
Great point about Gibson, I didn't remember that it was him who made those observations.

As for bobo, as annoying as he (she?) can be, I think he actually fancies himself to be someone who is stimulating us to think more deeply about issues. Unfortunately, he plays an absolutely awful devil's advocate. If it wasn't a presidential election season I would offer to play devil's advocate for a month or two just to show him how it is actually done. This, of course, would be conditioned on him watching and learning and not making asinine posts/comments in the meantime.

bobo thinks he's doing us all some huge favor by being contrarian and cynical and therefore strengthening our liberal/democratic arguments. Or something. It would be an interesting take on things if he didn't suck at it so badly.

by Weapon X on 04/17/2008 02:09:54 AM EST

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One more disclaimer before hitting the sack (none / 0)
My comment above is purely speculation based on the comment & posting history of bobo along with what he says in chats. I have no actual telepathic  ;ability or any other special insight into his mind.

Its often contradictory and/or illogical, which does normally indicates a Republican, but not always anti-liberal. Mostly its just stuff that is contrarian to what the majority of progressives are promoting/supporting. It's also more cynical toward middle America, which he lectures us of constantly. I don't know where bobo's from but I'm in suburban Chicago. Its not exactly Hickville, I know, but I would be quite amused if an East/West Coast resident is lecturing us on what middle America thinks.

by Weapon X on 04/17/2008 02:18:25 AM EST

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How in the world... (none / 0)
Did the subject of me hijack a thread without me actually commenting on it...?

Looks like some people are preoccupied with my essence, so I'll throw in my 2 cents in on the debate and its effects (even though I wasnt going to...)

I will start by saying that I did not watch it in its entirity... I was busy... But in seeing the clips off CNN and watching this particular board, I can say 2 things...

Man ABC really pissed you guys off!!!  It was either really that bad or you Obama supporters cant take the heat... Im not quite sure of which, but the few clips I saw showed a bumbling Obama completely on the defensive and not looking his best... The blogs at the other political sites are rambling with anti Charlie Gibson folly as if Brit Hume or Billo had taken his body...

The other thing I will say to it is Bravo... its about time somebody took Obama to task for his crap... It might not have benefitted Hillary and it might not have even been pretty (or fair) but this will actually be a good thing for Obama come November... He needs to shed some of his protective platitudes and tread a bit less lightly around issues... If this sort of debacle debate helps him, then maybe he'll be alright (even by me)...
 
In short...

He needs to look more real and less contrived - This will help him with the general Independent and Moderate electorate... I think perhaps this debate helped him in doing so, even though you guys will whine that it is unfair...

So there it is Weapon X and others, my contrarian 2 cents - if you want my opinion in the future, just go ahead and ask!

Thanks  :)

by bobo1 on 04/17/2008 08:46:23 AM EST

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you should watch the debate first (none / 0)
You may come to the same conclusion regardless, but its hardly worth discussing.

About Obama bumbling I just don't see it. This idea seems to be in the blogosphere, even among Obama's most ardent supporters, but Obama addressed every slanted gotcha question concisely and accurately, as he always does. After scanning over the transcript this was still my impression. I dunno maybe I need to watch it twice (not gonna happen) to get this but in terms of substance he performed admirably as usual. George W couldn't deliver a performance like that under that kind of pressure. And man can you imagine Bill Clinton? He's demonstrated very little discipline lately. Anyway, I just don't see it.

by hazmat on 04/17/2008 10:51:39 AM EST

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wrong (none / 0)
No, bobo is actually just a republican.

by ynp7 on 04/17/2008 10:56:33 AM EST

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am I missing something here? (none / 0)
granted I've only been watching the member blogs closely for a few weeks, but I've never seen bobo1 do anything more than make intensely anti-obama statements. How exactly is that republican? Maybe you guys can fill me in on some history I'm not aware of.

by hazmat on 04/17/2008 11:13:25 AM EST

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