Yeah, it's OBAMA who keeps playing the race card, sure... | 41 comments (41 topical, 0 hidden)
What eludes you China Guy... (none / 0)
Is the fact that even if Americans are not conservatives in the mold of William F Buckley jr or Rush Limbaugh, they are certainly more conservative then you will ever care to admit too...

We are not all Prius Driving, Pot Smoking hippie academics who continuously underestimate the stupidity and easily controlled nature of Joe Sixpack America...

This is why liberals cant win... Ego and smugness... You are the epitome of your own defeat!!!

 (8)) Smiley Full faced!!!

by bobo1 on 04/03/2008 02:16:26 AM EST

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McCain - Lieberman? (none / 0)
I could see that happening...

McCain - Bill Nelson of Florida?
McCain - Hagel?

I think I like your approach to this whole thing, Ken... trying to talk sense into these nonsensical Liberals is very frustrating - maybe Ill join the Obama bandwagon and even if he wins, he'll get blamed for all of this crap coming down the hill (economy and war continuation) anyway, so he'll be gone in 4 years - like you said, Republicans cant win them ALL!!!

Viva Obama... (I'll get more enthusiastic after Im done vomitting...)

:)

by bobo1 on 04/03/2008 02:42:45 AM EST

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Having it both ways (none / 0)

This is directed to Ken and Bobo, just for clarification. 

First, if Dems can't win what the hell was 2006, 1996, 1992 etc.  If the majority of Americans are so conservative how did Gore when a majority of the vote? 

This is Bobo, the self-proclaimed voice of the people at his finest. 

I don't just "know" the future like you two but I wonder if McCain running to the center, if not the left, by picking a Dem or Connecticut for Lieberman running mate might that not hurt his ability to energize the base?

Could it impact fundraising?  Supress knee-jerk religious nut-job voting turnout.  McCain has the weakest conservative and religious credentials of any national Republican and you think nominating a Jewish running mate will help him?????  Currently he is dry-humping Bush at every campaing stop and is still coming under heavy attack from many major religious leaders.

So your calculus is that a centrist, economically indifferent, religiosuly indifferent, pro-war McCain-Lieberman ticket will energize the Republican base while simultaneously winning enough centrists and democrats for whom ending the war is the number one issue.  I find this conclusion fascinating.

Finally, after explaining that the Dems can't win you say that even if they do Bush has destroyed the country so bad Obama will take the blame and lose in 2012 but this logic does not seem to apply to a President McCain.

Wow, thanks for showing us how stupid and illogical we progressives are. 

by ProfRich on 04/03/2008 11:13:41 AM EST

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A Few Clarifications for you, Professor... (none / 0)
First, I just say McCain - Lieberman just to piss off the liberals on the site... I know how accepting you Democrats are of Lieberman and his dedication to party and country...

Secondly, the election of 2006 was not a Presidential race - those were local races that the Democrats should have done better at... With the state of the war and worsening economy at that point, the Dems should have steamrolled the Republicans in the senate but they didnt - because they ran Liberals instead of people like Jim Webb (consequently most of the House Democrats who won seats were southern conservative democrats - Bluedogs)

1992 and 1996 are a clear example of what I have been trying to tell you all along - liberalism does not win general elections (especially for the Presidency) Bill Clinton ran on mostly conservative platforms and won. He also had the help of Perot in both campaigns. He ran to the right and picked up the center voters - And he won by doing so...

Obama has shown little indication that he is willing to court the center as one would need to to win - He is being painted as a tride and true Dukakis/Mondale Liberal, and its gonna kill him with the centrist/white voters... Rev Wright and the Bowling incident are just 2 examples of how Obama doesnt relate to Joe Sixpack America...

I really dont give a shit about what McCain does - I hate him more than I hate Obama - But Republicans will vote for him regardless because hes not a Democrat and He is not black - our friend mijoh below has it right... Hillary says "Obama cant win" and the sentence should continue "because he is black..." Facts are facts here, and he has hit it right on the mark - and thats going to be the other major issue that will continue to be hammered by the 527s and Republicans and the MSM...


I think if McCain were clever enough, he would run to the center and take away Obamas chances there - There will always be funds for Republicans, because big business will always support the status quo - they might have to hold their noses while writing the checks, but do not be disillusioned - they will still be writing them...


Thanks for your time...


by bobo1 on 04/03/2008 12:43:53 PM EST

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My Apologies... (none / 0)
mijoh's comments referenced earlier are over on the Stephanopoulos thread I wrote. my error...

:)

by bobo1 on 04/03/2008 12:45:52 PM EST

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Ummm, No (none / 0)

Not Catholic.

And none of those people even remotely like Jews at all.  They just need the Jews to be wherever the hell they are supposed to be for the rapture to take place.  The Jews are still, to them, the people who killed Jesus (idiots). The Jews just have a role to play in their big closing number.

For my part, I love me some "cat lickers."  But really just the hot kind that look like strippers. 

by ProfRich on 04/03/2008 07:02:01 PM EST

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Read, Ken, Read (none / 1)

This is classic Ken.  He reads a few words, assumes the rest of the post says what he expects it to and then responds.
Quick Quiz:

What is the top issue among voters (particularly centrists)?

A. The Fairness Doctrine

B. Ending the war in Iraq

Is John McCain going to completely change all his principles (again) in order to run as a centrists after going hard right for the last two years?  Is he going to suddenly become anti-war and run as the non-Bush republican?

Are you following this electionat all???

You have to lose the tired canned cliches you get from Rush (the dems fight the last election) and take the time to understand whats happening around you.

You got a guy running on a third term for Bush and being in Iraq for 100 years yet you think Obama is fighing the last election?  Wake the fuck up! 

by ProfRich on 04/04/2008 10:18:49 AM EST

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