Friday Fun Post: What Are Your Pet Peeves? | 90 comments (90 topical, 0 hidden)
In a sense, I do (none / 0)

As far as I can tell (and I don't go to the meetings or anything) but pro-choicers (thats a funny word) already do support all those things.  I just think the pro-choice side is pretty reasonable (even if you believe they are wrong) and the pro-life side is dogmatic and unreasonable (even if they are right).

What I am hearing is pro-lifers and pro-choicers are both unreasonable lets use common sense and find some middle ground but what is unreasonalbe about pro-choicers?

The already do support education, adoption, prevention, counseling etc.  It just seems to me what you should be saying is pro-lifers are unreasonable and should really adopt a more realistic approach.  I think pro-choice folks tend to already be there.  Talking about pro-choice people as if they are militant, uncompromising and unrealistic just feeds into the right wing framing. 

by ProfRich on 04/26/2008 03:14:12 PM EST

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Oh no (none / 0)
More miscommunication.  Maybe I'm just doing a poor job explaining myself here.

I totally agree that most pro-choicers are for the things I mentioned (although I don't hear as much about improving foster care) and that most pro-lifers are dogmatic and unreasonable.

You are preaching to the choir with that, trust me.

What I'm trying to say is, I think we (we as in pro-choicers) don't always do a good job of framing the debate because many of us just say "it's a choice".  Yes, it IS a choice and *should* be a choice, but that argument is less appealing and less comprehensive than it could and should be.

Again, I realize that many people DO make a  comprehensive argument, but many don't IME.  And in fairness, it may well be because pro-lifers often only say "it's murder!" or end sentences with "it's in the Bible" and "God says so", etc, which closes down any hope of a reasonable discussion.

by Tom Hanc on 04/26/2008 03:22:05 PM EST

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In my experience (none / 0)

The pro-choicer you are describing is a myth created by the pro-lifers to destroy any middle ground or hope for compromise.  Its why they use words like "abortionist".

by ProfRich on 04/26/2008 04:14:35 PM EST

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Whatever you say baby killer! (none / 0)
You tell that to yourself when you're burning in the hellfire with the other atheists and libs!

by Tom Hanc on 04/26/2008 04:25:15 PM EST

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Oh, I will (none / 0)

I will.

If hell is the only place I can go to escape all these religious nutjobs then sign me up.   I won't be seeing and "CHOOSE LIFE" license plates down there. 

by ProfRich on 04/26/2008 04:34:33 PM EST

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All joking aside (none / 0)
I can't imagine atheists are legion in Texas.  Although more common in Austin I'm sure!

by Tom Hanc on 04/26/2008 04:36:50 PM EST

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Actually (none / 0)
The most famous atheist in US History (at least for being an atheist) is from Austin.  Maedline Murray O'Hare.  And Sara Weddington, who argued Rowe v. Wade, is a law professor at UT.

by ProfRich on 04/26/2008 04:45:46 PM EST

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I'll keep that in mind (none / 0)
It's a bonus.

by Tom Hanc on 04/26/2008 07:40:19 PM EST

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