if it looks good, I don't care if it's fake.

IF it looks good. I have no moral objection, people can do what they want with their faces and bodies, and if they look better for it, why argue?

The problem is a lot of them do things that don't look good *or*, like with tanning/working out/cutting calories, they go too far.

I'm not someone who believes that natural always HAS to be better. Often it is, but not 100% of the time. Besides, it cracks me up when women with huge breasts express disgust with women who get implants. And look, huge implants look absurd.  At the same time, if someone is really small or uneven and they do something to be, say, a large B or solid C cup, I don't see why it's so horrifying.

If it's done poorly or doesn't fit with their frame, of course, it doesn't make sense.  But that's obvious.

Finally, how can anyone who fake tans, works out and spends hours on their hair and make up (and push up bra and whatever else) feel THAT superior to someone who's had *modest* plastic surgery?  Isn't the end goal the same, i.e. to make physical appearance better than would could be achieved naturally?

No seriously, is a push up bra "natural"?  Is putting on concealer, foundation, eye shadow and lipstick "natural".  Again, I'm not criticizing those things, as just about everyone looks better with moderate use of them.

I'm just saying...

by Tom Hanc on 04/05/2008 04:04:28 PM EST

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If someone gets work done and it makes them happy, I say go for it.  Though what does scare me are these Malibu grandmas who go completely overboard, but I guess that's their business if they want to look like Axl Rose. 

In regards to the whole breast thing, I'd be lying if I didn't say that I love a great rack whether fake or real.  Again, this is just one physical aspect of a women that I value, so obviously everyone I'm attracted to doesn't have to have mammoth melons (s orry some alliteration was called for).  I remember a past lady who I went out with asked me what I though if she got fake tits.  Nothing was wrong with what she had, but I was honest with her and told her of course I would think she would look hot with fake ones though she looked great with what she had.  More importantly, what mattered most was what she thought and wanted.  Obivously things get more complicated when someone has low self-esteem and is easily swayed by cultural influences dominated by male-centric views.

by rev24 on 04/05/2008 04:35:47 PM EST

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If I can touch 'em, they're real.

by ProfRich on 04/06/2008 12:08:45 AM EST

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There's a huge difference between a push up bra and getting breast implants.  Putting on makeup or a push up are temporary.  If you've ever seen how they put breast implants in...  Well, lets just say I'd rather see a woman putting on a push up than envision the bag getting jammed into her chest every time I see her with her top off.  But the real problem is, I don't think implants or other surgeries do anything to attract men.  I like women with big boobs, but I know plenty of guys who don't.  Men have enough varying tastes that it's not worth getting surgery to attract one.  Surgery is generally by women, for women, and, to beat a dead horse, I think its really due to the media and the way they perceive beauty. 

Sorry for dragging this conversation exactly where you didn't want it to go, but...  Eh, no I'm not sorry.  It evolved naturally.  See how that works?

by Spencer on 04/05/2008 06:30:37 PM EST

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*Most* men like larger breasts.  That's exactly why push-up bras are so popular (and padding, etc). 

Obviously we'd prefer naturally large breasts and I agree that many breasts look better with clothes/bra on.  Once they lose their support (and or you see a surgery scar, or the worst thing, the bag wrinkles from fake ones), they just don't look as good.

Of course air brushing, make-up and lighting does wonders.  But hey, if they aren't outrageously large, I'd say they look fantastic in a dress, t-shirt, sweater, etc.

by Tom Hanc on 04/05/2008 06:44:29 PM EST

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if most men like larger breasts.  I think men just like breasts in general.  I'm not all that picky, a nice small breast is fine with me.

I was just pointing out that there's a world of difference between an article of clothing and a life altering surgery. 

by Spencer on 04/05/2008 11:06:01 PM EST

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