Perhaps you require additional clarification. Democrats have repeatedly failed to defeat the Bush Administration on issues like FISA, Geneva, torture, Gitmo, habeas corpus, rendition, etc, etc, etc because the Supreme Court is beating them down like the unconstitutional political hacks that they are.

I'm not sure how "Democrats" in congress , or in general are associated with the Supreme court refusing to hear a cases. Your great stretch of logic is farly transpearent, and simply wrong,  to associate Democrats en mass with court rulings. I hear HRC is looking for new staff...your ability to spin a "victory" out of nonevents is something to behold.

Lets look at your "scorecard" without the spin

 FISA     &nb sp;    Not Heard by the court
Torture    &nb sp;  Not Heard by the court
Gitmo    &nb sp;     Ruling In July, after extensive Bush defeats in lower courts...

Habeas Corpus   Hardly an outright "victory" in typical Bush/Republican fashion it took  Bush 3 tries before he "won"

In Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, 542 U.S. 507 (2004), re-confirmed the right of United States citizens to habeas corpus even when declared an enemy combatant. The Court affirmed the basic principle that habeas corpus of a citizen could not be revoked.

In Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, 548 U.S. ___ (2006), Salim Ahmed Hamdan petitioned for a writ of habeas corpus, challenging that the military commissions set up by the Bush administration to try detainees at Guantanamo Bay "violate both the UCMJ and the four Geneva Conventions. In a 5-3 ruling the Court rejected Congress's (REPUBLICAN CONGRESS) attempts to strip the court of jurisdiction over habeas corpus appeals by detainees at Guantánamo Bay. 

In the bigger picture, your post demonstrates precisely why this country is on the road to disaster.
The attitude that "victory"  is a result in and of itself.

You are never are concerned by what is right. As long as it results in a tax cut, all is well.

But...psssst let me let you in on a secret...the next president ( Obama or Clinton ) will appoint new justices...enough to swing the court to a new "point of view" So even your moronic spin and premise about the court and democrats could be reversed.

Democrats Republicans are consistently losing significantly historical constitutional battles that will damage the reputation of the party for decades.

By the way piñata boy, back to the question you dodged

the Congress is supposed to back the president and allow him to prosecute the war....It's in the Constitution.

Please show us the clause in the Constitution that states

the Congress is supposed to back the president, and allow him to prosecute the war.


by MRFred on 05/12/2008 10:46:21 AM EST

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I also find it hilarious that Ken thinks the Supreme Court (particularly this court) rulings will damage any party's reputation whatsoever.  Like the average Americans are sitting there reading court cases and thinking, "Those stupid Dems, they believe in habeus corpus when Clarence clearly doesn't.  I think so much less of them."

If anything this court this far more likely to be remembered as the Taney Court has been.  A crooked obstructionist backwards-ass impediment to freedom.  And of course the Taney Court is right at the front of voters minds, right?  Oh wait, no one but us bloggers gives two shits about the Supreme Court and our minds are made up anyway.  Oh well. 

I think we should create a travelogue of Kenworld.

I am learning it is a place where no one pays any attention at all to issues like failed wars and disastrous economies and rampant corruption but are riveted by Supreme Court rulings and complex arguments about the production capacity of our oil infrastructure.  These GOP types sure have become sad little twisted monsters when forced to defend the results of their complete control of the government, haven't they? 

by ProfRich on 05/12/2008 11:12:28 AM EST

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Liar!

No its not its not shorthand at all. Is simply what it is

The cases were not heard by the court.

Lets track the spin progression on the Eyewitness News SPIN TRACK 5000! ( and Doppler radar)

 

1. First the spin was that the Bushies are above the law , because the Supreme court "has his back." Oh those macho Justices!

 During time of war, the president is given far-reaching executive authority to prosecute the war. Even the Bill of Rights do not supersede this authority.This is why George W Bush has won every showdown with Democrats. This is why the Supreme Court has his back.
2. When called on this bit of spin, reminding him about the math of the legislature and the thin majorities, it morphed into the old tried and true "It's in the Constitution" defense.

Fred, shall I recount the number of times that Bush has won in showdowns against Democrats on issues related to the war? They roll over to him every time. The Supreme Court backs him every time.When we are in the middle of a war, the Congress is supposed to back the president, and allow him to prosecute the war.It's in the Constitution.

3. Challenged to show where exactly (where the rule that states that the Congress must do exactly what the president says during a time of war)  was in the constitution, rulings or other documnets( Ken has yet to respond)  I, me, myself,  mentioned the Unitary Executive Theory that , by the way, Ken had never heard of before. Suddenly, like a life ring to a drowning man ,the spin transformed into this laugher: the Bush Administration has quietly asserted Unitary Executive...Democrats are trying to politicize the war (!!!!) and thwart the war effort.

 This is why Democrats have consistently lost on issues like FISA, Geneva, torture, Gitmo, habeas corpus, rendition, etc, etc, etc. This is why the Bush Administration has quietly asserted Unitary Executive, while Democrats have loudly protested. Bush is trying to defeat al Qaeda while maintaining the prerogatives of the Executive. Democrats are trying to politicize the war and thwart the war effort.

4. When reminded about the facts in regard to the Unitary executive among other things, and question on exactly how the Democratic Congress inserted itself in the court system: back to the Supreme court , like a a kid runs to his  mama : beating them down like the unconstitutional political hacks that they are.

Democrats have repeatedly failed to defeat the Bush Administration on issues like FISA, Geneva, torture, Gitmo, habeas corpus, rendition, etc, etc, etc because the Supreme Court is beating them down like the unconstitutional political hacks that they are.

5. When asked exactly how the evil Democrats  accomplished all of this magic, the argument morphed yet again to the ever hilarious  Judicial Activism ( Gasp!) Defense...(Wait a minute, didn't the Supreme Court have "Bushes back"?  What liberal activist judges are we talking about? The liberal activist judges that upheld the "Bush victories" and therfore were not reviewed by the courts? Those "hacks"?)

Whenever Fred says "not heard by the Court", that's just his shorthan d for "The Supreme Court refused to hear the case and upheld the lower court ruling, thereby confirming the legal concept of Unitary Executive, and rejecting the liberal notion of judicial activism". 

Finally, congratulations are in order, to myself and my esteemed opponent.

In 4 posts we have "confirmed the legal concept of the Unitary Executive",  a feat that 230 years of legal briefings, historians, scholars, and the Courts themselves can't consistantly define or even agree on.

Damn I'm good.

 

 

 

 

by MRFred on 05/12/2008 06:44:57 PM EST

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Is it legal for a SC Justice to except extremely valuable gifts from a defendant (Cheney) in the form of vacations and then sit on cases involving said defendant?

What's that? It is if the crooked judge says so?

You have a strange understanding of the law, Ken. 

by ProfRich on 05/13/2008 01:56:50 AM EST

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1) I am astonished to hear this.  There shouldbe an investigation.  Paid for by the taxpayers.  No expense should be spared.  Every person the Clinton have ever brushed up against should be interviewed.  Millions of documents should be pored over.  Congress should get involved.  We could even publish the findings in book form.  Certainly if we did that we would be able to prove at least some corruption on the Clinton's part and throw them in jail where they belong.  If only we could have an investigation of the evil, evil people.  Then we would get 'em for sure.

2) So even if they are corrupt.  If all of this is true they are about 2% as corrupt as Bush/Cheney Inc.  McCain has been censured for worse than this three times!!!!  ANd that doesn't even address his wife-beating, cheating, drunk, violent, abusive personal life.  I am a pragmatist.  I vote for my best choice.  Give me a choice between two crooks and I will take the less crooked one with better policies.  Other people on this board fall for this, "your guy (girl) is not a saint so therefore vote for my demon" line of argument.  I don't sit around waiting for the messiah. 

3) My attitude towards Bush malfeasance is the same as mine towards Clinton's.  Let him stand up to the largest investigation in the history of the world and be found innocent of any government corruption or abuse of power and I will let it go.  What is your stance?  It was right to investigate Clinton but we shouldn't even breathe a word about your guys troubles?  And you call me a hypocrite?  Grow up.

Oh, and I didn't even read this post.  I don't care.  She is not the nominee.  Its not even relevant. 

by ProfRich on 05/13/2008 10:33:27 AM EST

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1) Democrats conrol  Republicans controlled Congress. They could have investigated and subpoenaed to their heart's content, and Republicans Democrats couldn't do anything about it. And yet they don't, because they have nothing.

2. "I don't recall McCain being accused of rape, and worse crimes. That's Bill Clinton territory."

Do you recall Clinton being exonerated of rape?  Investigations and trial being dropped because there was no evidence? 

This discussion is about government corruption.  McCain is corrupt.  He gets paid to do corporate interests bidding.  In terms of courruption (which we are discussing) this is worse.  Mostly because he has been found culpable and made to apoligize mutltiple times.

3. "Democrats conrol Congress. They can investigate and subpoena to their heart's content, and Republicans can't do anything about it. And yet they don't, because they have nothing."

How do we know they have nothing without an investigation.  I am pretty openly disgusted with the refusal of these Dems to practice oversight.  The centrists and blue dogs need to go.  We need more progressives.

Oh, and they have subpeonaed as you well know.  The crooked ass pubs jsut refuse to answer subpeonas, I guess because they are so law abidiing?

Anyway this is all neither here nor there.  No one but the most tax cut loving bibile thumping Kool-Aid drunk conservatives believe the Repbulicans aren't crooked.  Its the #1 reasons for the 06 ass-kicking and polls show the belief has only intensified.  You are always going to say whatever you have to say to get your tax cut.  You don't believe it and we all know it.  No one else believes it either.  Like all true Republicans, you are just a whore for money.

by ProfRich on 05/13/2008 11:36:56 AM EST

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First, that many women (2?) can't be lying but the twelve who have now filed complaints against KBR are all liars, huh?

Second, what is the statute of limitations on rape in Arkansas?  Certainly more than four years or whatever it was before Huckabee took over right?

Huckabee became governor on a "Hate Clinton" platform!!!!!  He pardoned a serial rapist and murderer becuase the guy raped a distant relation to Bill. (which in light of the new Republican pro-rape platform makes a lot more sense).  You telling me dictator Huckabee couldn't even ask a few questions about Juanita Bordrick?

Let it go, man. Clinton is gone and Hillary lost and the defenders of rape are now the Bushies.  If you want to keep talking about Bill and rape please post it to a 90s nostalgia board.

Oh, and I am sure Starr never bothered to look into this.  I mean he had such a tight focus on that investigation, right?

This is stupid. 

by ProfRich on 05/13/2008 12:29:54 PM EST

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