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I have refrained from attacking her too (none / 0)

But I am not going to pretend she can win without the entire playing field shifting dramatically.

Best case scenario she will need about 70% or so of the remaining SuperDs.  Considering the absolute landslide of SuperD to Obama since  Iowa this is extremely hard to imagine.

Couple this with her absolutely cratering polling numbers nationwide (Obama over +15 in Gallup, +8 in Rasmussen) and it is a "fairy tale." 

We can be fair and treat her with respect and dignity but we don't have to trumpet her "I am still in this nonsense" to do so.

I liked Edwards, what would y'all think of me if I had said the day before Edwards dropped out he still had a chance?  You would have called me a silly, naive, Koo-aid drinker.  Why do we have to pretend whatever new "math" and "logic" the Hillary campaign e-mails out each day makes sense?  Its like letting the right wing nuts have equal time on CNN and MSNBC because we treat their reality as valid as actual reality.

Let it go.  She ran.  People voted.   She lost.  The End. 

by ProfRich on 05/21/2008 12:37:09 PM EST

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nailed it again Rich (none / 0)

While certain Hillary supporters on this forum cry foul about perceived media bias and manufactured claims of sexism and lack of general fairness, if the tables were turned, or any other candidate were in Hillary's position, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Her last name is Clinton, and that's the bottom line.

That being said, I think Richard should note that most of the national figures who previously supported Hillary or were outspoken DLC members (Rahm Emmanuel is the most striking example) have clearly begun to posture with Obama vs. McCain, while taking care not to slight Hillary overtly. The latest nation-wide gallup polls show Obama with a substantial and probably insurmountable lead over Hillary in public support. 

Kentucky and WV matter, yes, but as others have pointed out, almost half of the registered democrats there are republicans for practical purposes. I think the party has moved on, and I'm sure there's been communication behind the scenes about Hillary's debt, which is probably the biggest issue at this point. I watched her victory speech and it seemed like the most animated part of it was when she told the crowd to visit her website and donate. Maybe I'm being pollyannish but that's my reading of the tea-leaves.

by hazmat on 05/21/2008 01:59:02 PM EST

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agree 100% (none / 0)

Hillary doesn't seem to acknowledge that many democrats just don't want to continue the Bush-Clinton dynasty.  That was one of my biggest problems with her campaign from the beginning and one of the reasons I went with Edwards.  Then her campaign went negative against Obama and I lost any sympathy for her.  It does suck for her that what had initially seemed like an easy run to the White House was snatched away by Obama, but hey, he had to strike while the iron was hot too. 

It bums me out that the Kentucky and WV wins are supposed to mean Hillary is more electable when these elections were so strongly affected by racist attitudes.  I read this in an article yesterday (forgot the source, sorry) "Oregon isn't really representative of the country."  This wasn't even from the Hillary camp.  Oregon is representative of the country, but represents the younger, more liberal, educated demographic.  You can't just deny that these people are part of the population.

sorry to ramble.  my Oregon roots are showing. 

by desertpear on 05/21/2008 02:44:14 PM EST

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