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should we contact the authorities? (none / 0)
"Your acquiescence to rape makes you an abomination." 

I've been advocating for years to have Bill Clinton convicted on charges of rape. While rape is no longer a capital offense in most states, there have been castrations in special cases, and I think he would qualify.

I'm wondering why Rich is not concerned about charges of rape? Why is he so sympathetic? He posts many strange and questionable comments during school hours. Maybe this should be investigated by his school district? Hmmmm.

Hillary Clinton stood by her man and watched him rape and molest and abuse subordinates who worked "under him" in government jobs in Arkansas and Washington DC.

History shows that when Bill Clinton was raping women, and sexually harassing women, Hillary was helping him cover it up. (And you want to talk about KBR- Halliburton? You stupid punk!)

Hillary considers the office of the presidency as "payback" for all the years of humiliation and abuse.

by KenTX on 05/06/2008 01:57:11 PM EST

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Wrong again, Ken (none / 0)

See here is the difference.  I don't believe Juanita Bordrick was raped by bill Clinton.  I am supported in this belief by the vast majority of Americans, the US courts system and the most comprehensive investigation of a human being in history.  We all find these allegations baseless.  It is sad but true that sometimes rape and sex crimes charges are leveled for political reasons or personal gain.  After examining the evidence in the past and what you link here I have come to believe this.  If I am wrong and he did rape her, he should be punished, I agree.  But we have no way of knowing that beyond the investigation that has already occured.

Paula Jones case was so thin it didn't even make it to trial so what you are suggesting is that a man should be villified and castrated for being accused of rape.  There is no other way to frame this.  He was investigated (to a ridiculous extent) and found innocent.  should every man accused of rape be castrated?  That seems a bit dangerous, especially since I know for a fact you raped bobo.  Snip, snip.

As for Jamie Leigh Jones, all I am calling for is an investigation and these people held accountable by law if wrongdoing is found.  You are against that.  How do you justify this?  A man you admittedly hate is accused of rape, we spend years and millions of dollares investigating the allegation and they are found baseless but a girl is raped by a private contractor and no one should even breath word of it, much less investigate.  And you think the people who are accused are above the law anyway.

From this I must conclude that you don't really have a problem with rape, you have a problem with Bill Clinton, rape allegations are just a nice way to smear him.  

To sum up:

I don't believe Brodrick was raped.  I was ok with it being investigated.  Clinton was exonerated.

I think there is enough there to investigate KBR for this, and other, rapes.  I think the people responsible must be held to the law if it is found they violated it.

You are conivnced Brodrick was raped despite what all investigations and courts say.  Therefore Clinton should be castrated.

You don't seem to give a damn who KBR rapes and if they are accountable because the investigation and prosecutions of Clinton exonerated him so its ok for your guys to rape people.

Do I have that right?

Oh and that BBC article just says Fox reported through "unnamed sources" that blah blah blah.  Then it says everyone denies it.  That is not proof.  It just makes you look like an idiot.  If you are going to post an article about what some news agency says, post the original news agency (FOX), don't try to hide behind the BBC reporting Fox said it.  Pathetic.

Oh and making vague threats to my job when you are getting trounced and outed as pro-rape is just sad.  Take it like a man, Ken.  Maybe I should alert aithorities in and around Houston that a deranged, occasionaly hispanic, domestic engineer is careening around their streets using a Blackberry compulsively.  

Oh wait, I wouldn't do that.  I will just handle you her online. 

by ProfRich on 05/06/2008 02:47:58 PM EST

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That was a long post. (none / 0)
But I have a few questions:

Do you believe that Jamie Leigh Jones and Juanita Broadderick are equally credible?

Do you think Bill Clinton was investigated to the degree that the KBR guys will be investigated?

Did Juanita Broadderick try to make money from the story? Did she write a book? (It would have been a guaranteed money maker. I would have purchased it.)

Do you think Jamie Leigh Jones will try to make money in a lawsuit?

Did the accuser of Kobe Bryant try to make money in a lawsuit?

by KenTX on 05/06/2008 03:04:52 PM EST

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Juanita and Jamie (none / 0)


Do you believe that Jamie Leigh Jones and Juanita Broadderick are equally credible?

I don't know.  I think Jamie's allegations shouldbe treated at least a fraction as seriously as Juanita's were by investigators.  It is my understanding Jones has actual evidence and witnesses who are willing to testify so I guess that makes her claims more credible.  Jones came out immediately.  While it is not unusual for rape victims to remian silent as they fear retribution and shame it seems strange to see the profile and possibility for retibution to grow so staggering and see the victim more willing to talk.  Maybe she was just trying to save us all.  But I digress, Juanita got here investigation.  Jamie deserves hers.  Why do you not feel Jamie deserves the same treatment?

Do you think Bill Clinton was investigated to the degree that the KBR guys will be investigated?

It is absolutely inconceivable the KBR guys will be investiage to the extent Clinton was.  No one will probably ever be again.


Did Juanita Broadderick try to make money from the story? Did she write a book? (It would have been a guaranteed money maker. I would have purchased it.)
 
I suppose she didn't write a book.  Don't really know.  But I do know Paula Jones profitted significantly from accusing Clinton.  Those of us old enough remember the nose job, makeover, wardrobe, stipends and general payola she got from the GOP at the time.  It was pretty repulsive.  I have always assumed Brodrick received similar compensation.
Also, Brodrick might have sued Clinton if authorities found her claims to be legitimate.  I assume she would have but she didn't really have any chance of winning so she didn't.  Do you really find it hard to imagine some of Scaife or someones money ended up in her pocket? 

Do you think Jamie Leigh Jones will try to make money in a lawsuit?
I hope she does.  The idea the US will set up a contract where investigations of rape can not even be investigated is criminal and should be remedied through tort.  I hope Dawn Leamon does too.  And Mary Beth Kineston.  Why should Brodrick and Jones get the benefit of civil suits and criminal investigation and these women be denied?  If a reasonable investigation ensues and all the witnesses and evidence are not enough to convict then I suppose the civil suits will go away too.
Oh, and does arguing that these girls might sue discredit thier claim?  So we can totally throw Paula Jones' claims out now right?

Did the accuser of Kobe Bryant try to make money in a lawsuit?
Yes.  So did Paula Jones.  Jones lost.  Clinton is innocent.
 
I have but two questions for you, Ken.
 
Should we investigate the alleged rapes of Jamie Leigh Jones, Dawn Leamon, Mary Beth Kineston and any other women who come forward?

If evidence of rape is found, should the accused face legal consequences?

Or do these principles only apply to people who accuse your  enemies of rape.  Remember, I have no problem giving Brodrick or Jones investigations and trials.  Its not my fault Clinton was found innocent.

by ProfRich on 05/06/2008 03:29:45 PM EST

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Clinton admitted guilt. (none / 0)

But he settled out of court with an enormous check on charges of sexual harassment.

Paula Jones didn't lose. She won $850,000.

I don’t blame him. He was caught red handed in criminal and predatory actions.

He was one of only two impeached presidents in American history.

by KenTX on 05/06/2008 03:50:21 PM EST

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All well and good... (none / 0)

But my points on the rape argument still stand.

Change the subject all you want but until you agree it is wrong for this administration to refuse investigations of rape charges and hold contractors above the law you are pro-rape.

Just to avoid obfuscation.

I support investigation of rape charges.

I support trials for people accused of rape.

I support punishment of those convicted of rape.

Where they stand on tax cuts doesn't impact those core principles. 

And doesn't Jones big payday make here a liar based on your insinuation a few posts before? 

by ProfRich on 05/06/2008 04:13:31 PM EST

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Interesting facts. (none / 0)
Castration has been used as punishment in the case of rape. The rate of recidivism is amazingly low after castration.

by KenTX on 05/06/2008 03:24:38 PM EST

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Bill Clinton and rape (none / 0)
These posts are interesting and all but aren't we talking about castration of convicted rapists?
Bill Clinton is an accused rapist.  Are you supporting castration for accused rapists?  Why don't we castrate the KBR guys then?  I am lost.

by ProfRich on 05/06/2008 03:48:47 PM EST

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Bill Clinton: ACCUSED RAPIST (none / 0)
I advocate castration of convicted rapists only. Don't you?

by KenTX on 05/06/2008 03:55:13 PM EST

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