How McCain can Win the White House | 35 comments (35 topical, 0 hidden)
Interesting, but no... (none / 0)
I think even the 28% approving Republican Base might have a problem with this strategy - Interesting thought, but the House Democrats would have to bring articles of Impeachment up, and they wont even do that when they do have evidence of crimes...

Now, hazmat, can I tell you how McCain could win?

If Obama loses OH, PA and FL - He's toast. No way he gets to 270.

I noticed someone talking Electoral math on another posting here, saying that Obama could win NV, CO, NM and IA - - To that I say - Not gonna happen!!!

OK - Maybe he wins NM (if "Spanky" Richardson is VP). Maybe he wins NV (again with Spanky as VP). CO? Not a prayer in Hell - IA - Dont get your hopes up...

Now is Obama made Hillary VP - PA, OH and FL would be in play... hmmm... That would also help him in VA, WV and IN...

I know, its not gonna happen, but McCains Electoral math looks much better with Obama in the Dem spot - sad but true...

Any thoughts...

:)

by bobo1 on 05/08/2008 01:48:41 PM EST

I would respond to this (none / 0)
If it was actually based on some facts or something.

by ProfRich on 05/08/2008 01:58:36 PM EST

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Professor... (none / 0)
"Use the Force, Luke - let it Flow through you..."

Professor, you and I are both old enough to know that elections and politics in general are not about facts and numbers - much of it is intuition and opinion that cannot be shown or quantified as numerical statistics...

As for my thoughts on Electoral states and strategy - they are my thoughts and feelings about the people and the demographics of the area - I live in the Mountain Southwest, and unless something catastrophic happens (Like John McCain eating babies on stage at a rally), You aren't going to get this overwhelming urban/youth/black vote that will propel Obama to victory here... Obama needs to shift his startegy here...

Obama needs to start helping us "White Trash" voters and Hispanics out by saying stuff that we understand and want - we can beg and be pandered to just as easy as the youth/blacks/elitists can - We want a piece of the pie too, you know... Cuba Gooding Jr said it best in that movie with Tom Cruise - Obama needs to :

"Show me the money!!!..."

Thanks for your thoughts...

:)

by bobo1 on 05/08/2008 02:53:45 PM EST

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Seriously, you need help (none / 0)

I said ok fine thats your opinion.

Your respone was but its just my opinion.

Stop hitting yourself. 

by ProfRich on 05/08/2008 03:26:07 PM EST

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Probably not (none / 0)

I don't think that the impeachment idea would work, but I would give my left kidney to see how people would react.  He would get a lot of Ron Paul-type support: "I disagree with almost his whole platform, but at least he's got balls, and he's right about one thing." 

I might expect him to do a crazy stunt like this if he's getting stomped going into the general election ... either a crazy political stunt, or get Cheney to attack Iran.  One of the two.

About the states in the general election, I think it's way too early to tell much.  Obama might have appeal in a bunch of states that are normally out-of-bounds for Democrats.  As long as Hillary gets out soon, it could be a blowout.  If she doesn't ... ouch.  Danger, Will Robinson.

by jjpotter on 05/08/2008 02:28:46 PM EST

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you obviously (none / 0)

get it. I would give a left kidney to see how people react too. (actually no I wouldn't)

There's some chance the Democratic Party would wake up and start representing their constituents. But not a big chance. 

by hazmat on 05/08/2008 02:44:13 PM EST

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How to impeach Bush. (none / 0)
If a group of Democrat Congressmen decide to impeach the President, the process can be accomplished in a single afternoon. They would not require cooperation from a single Republican.

by KenTX on 05/08/2008 02:53:03 PM EST

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How to stop the War on Al Qaeda. (none / 0)
If 40 Democrat Senators had refused to support funding legislation, the troops could have been withdrawn from Iraq in 2004. They didn't need cooperation from a single Republican.

by KenTX on 05/08/2008 03:04:01 PM EST

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How to stop answering you own posts... (none / 0)
There are many new medications that would help. They seem to work for McCain.

by MRFred on 05/08/2008 11:32:17 PM EST

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how to do things (none / 0)
There's a website dedicated to explaining how to do things.

I looked into it and learned that Democrats are capable of ending the war and impeaching the president without any help or cooperation from Republicans.

This lead me to the conclusion that Democrats are either weak or scared or wrong or all of the above.

Maybe when they go to the floor of the House and do all that chest thumping, they really don't believe their own propaganda? Maybe they're not really crazy? Maybe they're just a bunch of liars?

by KenTX on 05/08/2008 11:43:03 PM EST

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Thats nice... (none / 1)

but it still doesn't explain why you answer your own posts.


 Oh BTW, I looked at your link and tried a few questions,

  • Your search - impeach - did not match any documents.
  • Your search - Stop Funding the war - did not match any documents.
  • Your search - Democrats are either weak or scared or wrong or all of the above

- did not match any documents.
Suggestions:

  • Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
  • Try different keywords.
  • Try more general keywords.
  • Try fewer keywords.
  • This maybe a leap on my part , Im just a server, but perhaps no one gives a shit about what conclusions you have drawn or why.

  Copyright © 2008, How To Do Things - All Rights Reserved

by MRFred on 05/09/2008 12:37:19 AM EST

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That was a literal LOL moment. (none / 0)
Gotta love that server character.

by Spencer on 05/09/2008 12:47:09 AM EST

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you and probably (none / 0)
everyone on this forum agrees about this single unescabable piece of devastating truth. I don't agree about the one afternoon--you need hearings and evidence first.

by hazmat on 05/08/2008 03:22:16 PM EST

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1 flaw (none / 0)
Obama / Hillary ? Only one problem. It makes too much sense.

In one stroke he could unify the Dems, show what a "big tent" guy he really is, make feminists happy, appeal to the swing voters. He can use her to do the dirty work, help him as a policy wonk, help him though the nuances and back room deals he will have to make in the WH use her connections and her muscle to push through his initiatives.

The only real negative is that some liberals might get pissed off over their irrational hatred for Hillary. I wonder how many "liberals" voted for Obama and how many "liberals" voted against hillary.

It won't happen though because as much as they hate her, they FEAR her even more.  

by LORD FOUL on 05/08/2008 05:23:47 PM EST

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Again, sir... (none / 0)
Right on the Money!!!

I would give my left nut to see the Liberals and Obamabots in here crying and bitching if he picked her.

Hell, Id vote for him no problem if he did that, because it would show me that he is willing to encompass more than the Liberal wing of the party! He could use her and Bill to his ultimate advantage!!!

You are too smart for the people here, Lord Foul...

:)

by bobo1 on 05/08/2008 05:46:19 PM EST

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I don't totally disagree (none / 0)
if you haven't seen it yet here's the argument for Hillary in the veep slot from the perspective of an Obama supporter. I remain unconvinced, but I don't think its necessarily a hideous idea.

by hazmat on 05/08/2008 06:39:42 PM EST

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Hillary will be offered the job. (none / 1)
But will she accept? Is that enough "history" and enough "legacy" for the Clintons? I guess its better than nothing, which is the legacy currently achieved by Bill.

by KenTX on 05/08/2008 07:28:41 PM EST

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Pandering (none / 0)
Wouldn't making Clinton the VP too obvious in terms of pandering? Secondly, I do not think that Clinton would give up her pride on a VP position. She's a Clinton, don't forget that.

Blog: http://perspectivos.blogspo t.com/

by Nick86 on 05/08/2008 07:56:09 PM EST

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Not pandering (none / 1)

At least in America it won't be talked about like that.  Lets not forget they essentially have no policy differences.  Also, he has not been negative towards her so he won't even look inconsistent.

I suppose you could argue she is going to look a little silly taking it after the things he said but that is just politics.  See Bush on Reagan in 1980.

I don't know if she wants it or not but even if she doesn't there will be some sort of public display of him making an offer (fake or otherwise) and she will reject (all planned out of course) if she is not interested.  She will give some reason (lead the fight for Pres Obama in the Senate or some shit) and then he is cut free to offer it to whoever he wants.

Just my guess. 

by ProfRich on 05/08/2008 08:03:34 PM EST

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Pandering II (none / 0)
Well their policy differences do exist today, I would argue at least. For example the gas tax, although a pipe dream it does signal a difference in ideology between the two senators. By pandering I meant to the new flavour of the month, the "white working class vote", which by the media's protrayl, sees Clinton as a demi-god now. I do not see a Obama/Clinton ticket happening, but then again I'm not in the US, my perspective is skewed.

Blog: http://perspectivos.blogspo t.com/

by Nick86 on 05/08/2008 09:58:35 PM EST

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Oh, another thing (none / 0)
There really is no such thing as too obvious pandering.  I mean McCain is talking about getting rebaptized during the election for God's sake.  And no one in the MSM seems to find that innapropriate.

by ProfRich on 05/08/2008 08:05:11 PM EST

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Baptism is inappropriate? (none / 0)
Can we get Barack H. Obama to go on record agreeing with this position? Have your people call my people.

by KenTX on 05/08/2008 08:20:37 PM EST

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No (none / 0)

But publicly announcing you are going to be rebaptized after not seeming to care much about religion for the first 280 years of your life and changing demoninations depending on the next primary because everyone says you are going to have a hard time appealing to the religious vote might be construed as pandering.

Just maybe. 

by ProfRich on 05/09/2008 12:12:44 AM EST

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My vote is... (none / 0)
No.  She doesn't seem like she'd want to be a veep, even after Cheney upped the power of the office.

by Spencer on 05/08/2008 07:58:39 PM EST

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Why would that make you vote for him? (none / 0)

You don't like Hillary either, so why do you care if she's under the tent?

"it would show me that he is willing to encompass more than the Liberal wing of the party!"  Apparently other parts of the party like him as well.  You know... since he won and all.

But before you type a response, STOP!  It's just my opinion, so you can't argue with it.

by Spencer on 05/08/2008 07:56:12 PM EST

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I should have added (none / 0)
that Obama does better with independents as well, but I suppose they are all members of the "liberal left wing of the party".

by Spencer on 05/08/2008 08:39:59 PM EST

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Oh Spence... (none / 0)
shall we re-hash old arguments anew - OK:

1. Obama did not win the working class white vote - The majority of population in this country. Clinton Did...

2. Obama won urban demographics of blacks/college grad Liberals and the youth, who have never voted and really dont know what they want and dont know any better (They thought the You-Tube Videos were cool - so hey, why not vote for him?)

3. Obama did not win Old People - And there are a lot of them who need to vote for Dems to win - Clinton did...

4. Primary Voters are notoriously Liberal (or Conservative on the Republican Side) They really give a skewed view of where the party actually stand (activists, bloggers and hippies etc).

I hate to keep throwing my opinion out to you Spence, but maybe (just maybe) you'll realize at 26 that you dont know everything, and that there are more people who are not activists and college kids in the party OVERALL... Many who dont bother to vote in primaries... and many of them are getting turned off to Obama by his supporters because of their smugness and Clinton-bashing.

5. 40-50% of this country, despite Bush and Cheney and the last 8 years are Republicans who are probably scared shitless of black people coming to power in any sense in this country... good luck not rallying them to vote against Obama...

If Obama were to put Clinton on the ticket and run as a Unified Democratic Party (Ala GHW Bush and Reagan 1980) Y'all will win in a landslide... period. End of Story.

I'll even vote for them. I promise...

:)

by bobo1 on 05/08/2008 11:37:42 PM EST

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All you do is rehash. (none / 0)

1) He didn't win the working class white vote in the primary (in some cases), but does that mean that he lost it?  No, it just means that the working class white vote went with Hillary.  They'll all come back around for the general.  Don't confuse primary fights with a permanent division in the party.  Obama and Clinton are really close on policy, so what's for the working class white vote to dislike (other than the fact that he's black of course , which seems to be a lynchpin to every criticism you have of him.  Curious that...).  Besides, where are they going to go?  McCain?  Yeah, I see that happeneing.

2) "Obama won urban demographics of blacks/college grad Liberals and the youth, who have never voted and really dont know what they want and dont know any better (They thought the You-Tube Videos were cool - so hey, why not vote for him?)"  What are you saying here?  They voted in the primary didn't they?  That shows a certain amount of interest, even if they are "urban" and less important than us regular white folk.

3)  Fuck old people.  They're dying anyway.  But seriously folks, he WON THE NOMINATION!  Yet somehow you don't think people will vote for him.  The polls (I know, I know) show otherwise.

4)  Well, if I accept your premise, then I guess Obama is who the "hippies" picked, so the Average Joe Sixpack Racist Dumbass' that you represent can either vote for him, or they can vote for McCain.  I'm sick of seeing my candidates pandering and dumbing it down for people like you.

4.5?)  Can you, just once, not invoke my age into every debate?  Your age doesn't make you right, just like claiming that facts are meaningless doesn't make you right, and saying that "it's just your opinion" doesn't make you right, and saying to represent middle America doesn't make you right.  I can guarantee you that live in a much more conservative city than you, so spare me the lecture.  I see how shit works.

And I refuse to be called smug by the most smug person on the board.

But all of that aside, you didn't answer my question.  Why would Clinton being on the ticket make you want to vote for Obama?  Neither of them have anything to offer you.

Save all of your unfinished thoughts until they are fully baked and ready to be garnished with a NICE.SOLID.PERIOD.

by Spencer on 05/09/2008 12:28:06 AM EST

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Since I know you'll point it out smugly. (none / 0)

I meant "inject my age into every debate", and "saying you represent", and "I can guarantee you that I live".

There we go.  Crisis averted. 

by Spencer on 05/09/2008 12:33:37 AM EST

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LOL (none / 0)
Thank you Spencer, for providing the response that I am too damn tired to make. And, frankly, for making it better than I would have.

by Weapon X on 05/09/2008 01:32:42 AM EST

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How McCain can Win the White House | 35 comments (35 topical, 0 hidden)