How McCain can Win the White House | 35 comments (35 topical, 0 hidden)
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Obama / Hillary ? Only one problem. It makes too much sense.

In one stroke he could unify the Dems, show what a "big tent" guy he really is, make feminists happy, appeal to the swing voters. He can use her to do the dirty work, help him as a policy wonk, help him though the nuances and back room deals he will have to make in the WH use her connections and her muscle to push through his initiatives.

The only real negative is that some liberals might get pissed off over their irrational hatred for Hillary. I wonder how many "liberals" voted for Obama and how many "liberals" voted against hillary.

It won't happen though because as much as they hate her, they FEAR her even more.  

by LORD FOUL on 05/08/2008 05:23:47 PM EST


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Again, sir... (none / 0)
Right on the Money!!!

I would give my left nut to see the Liberals and Obamabots in here crying and bitching if he picked her.

Hell, Id vote for him no problem if he did that, because it would show me that he is willing to encompass more than the Liberal wing of the party! He could use her and Bill to his ultimate advantage!!!

You are too smart for the people here, Lord Foul...

:)

by bobo1 on 05/08/2008 05:46:19 PM EST


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I don't totally disagree (none / 0)
if you haven't seen it yet here's the argument for Hillary in the veep slot from the perspective of an Obama supporter. I remain unconvinced, but I don't think its necessarily a hideous idea.

by hazmat on 05/08/2008 06:39:42 PM EST


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Hillary will be offered the job. (none / 1)
But will she accept? Is that enough "history" and enough "legacy" for the Clintons? I guess its better than nothing, which is the legacy currently achieved by Bill.

by KenTX on 05/08/2008 07:28:41 PM EST


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Pandering (none / 0)
Wouldn't making Clinton the VP too obvious in terms of pandering? Secondly, I do not think that Clinton would give up her pride on a VP position. She's a Clinton, don't forget that.

Blog: http://perspectivos.blogspo t.com/

by Nick86 on 05/08/2008 07:56:09 PM EST


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Not pandering (none / 1)

At least in America it won't be talked about like that.  Lets not forget they essentially have no policy differences.  Also, he has not been negative towards her so he won't even look inconsistent.

I suppose you could argue she is going to look a little silly taking it after the things he said but that is just politics.  See Bush on Reagan in 1980.

I don't know if she wants it or not but even if she doesn't there will be some sort of public display of him making an offer (fake or otherwise) and she will reject (all planned out of course) if she is not interested.  She will give some reason (lead the fight for Pres Obama in the Senate or some shit) and then he is cut free to offer it to whoever he wants.

Just my guess. 

by ProfRich on 05/08/2008 08:03:34 PM EST


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Pandering II (none / 0)
Well their policy differences do exist today, I would argue at least. For example the gas tax, although a pipe dream it does signal a difference in ideology between the two senators. By pandering I meant to the new flavour of the month, the "white working class vote", which by the media's protrayl, sees Clinton as a demi-god now. I do not see a Obama/Clinton ticket happening, but then again I'm not in the US, my perspective is skewed.

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by Nick86 on 05/08/2008 09:58:35 PM EST


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Oh, another thing (none / 0)
There really is no such thing as too obvious pandering.  I mean McCain is talking about getting rebaptized during the election for God's sake.  And no one in the MSM seems to find that innapropriate.

by ProfRich on 05/08/2008 08:05:11 PM EST


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Baptism is inappropriate? (none / 0)
Can we get Barack H. Obama to go on record agreeing with this position? Have your people call my people.

by KenTX on 05/08/2008 08:20:37 PM EST


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No (none / 0)

But publicly announcing you are going to be rebaptized after not seeming to care much about religion for the first 280 years of your life and changing demoninations depending on the next primary because everyone says you are going to have a hard time appealing to the religious vote might be construed as pandering.

Just maybe. 

by ProfRich on 05/09/2008 12:12:44 AM EST


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My vote is... (none / 0)
No.  She doesn't seem like she'd want to be a veep, even after Cheney upped the power of the office.

by Spencer on 05/08/2008 07:58:39 PM EST


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Why would that make you vote for him? (none / 0)

You don't like Hillary either, so why do you care if she's under the tent?

"it would show me that he is willing to encompass more than the Liberal wing of the party!"  Apparently other parts of the party like him as well.  You know... since he won and all.

But before you type a response, STOP!  It's just my opinion, so you can't argue with it.

by Spencer on 05/08/2008 07:56:12 PM EST


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I should have added (none / 0)
that Obama does better with independents as well, but I suppose they are all members of the "liberal left wing of the party".

by Spencer on 05/08/2008 08:39:59 PM EST


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Oh Spence... (none / 0)
shall we re-hash old arguments anew - OK:

1. Obama did not win the working class white vote - The majority of population in this country. Clinton Did...

2. Obama won urban demographics of blacks/college grad Liberals and the youth, who have never voted and really dont know what they want and dont know any better (They thought the You-Tube Videos were cool - so hey, why not vote for him?)

3. Obama did not win Old People - And there are a lot of them who need to vote for Dems to win - Clinton did...

4. Primary Voters are notoriously Liberal (or Conservative on the Republican Side) They really give a skewed view of where the party actually stand (activists, bloggers and hippies etc).

I hate to keep throwing my opinion out to you Spence, but maybe (just maybe) you'll realize at 26 that you dont know everything, and that there are more people who are not activists and college kids in the party OVERALL... Many who dont bother to vote in primaries... and many of them are getting turned off to Obama by his supporters because of their smugness and Clinton-bashing.

5. 40-50% of this country, despite Bush and Cheney and the last 8 years are Republicans who are probably scared shitless of black people coming to power in any sense in this country... good luck not rallying them to vote against Obama...

If Obama were to put Clinton on the ticket and run as a Unified Democratic Party (Ala GHW Bush and Reagan 1980) Y'all will win in a landslide... period. End of Story.

I'll even vote for them. I promise...

:)

by bobo1 on 05/08/2008 11:37:42 PM EST


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All you do is rehash. (none / 0)

1) He didn't win the working class white vote in the primary (in some cases), but does that mean that he lost it?  No, it just means that the working class white vote went with Hillary.  They'll all come back around for the general.  Don't confuse primary fights with a permanent division in the party.  Obama and Clinton are really close on policy, so what's for the working class white vote to dislike (other than the fact that he's black of course , which seems to be a lynchpin to every criticism you have of him.  Curious that...).  Besides, where are they going to go?  McCain?  Yeah, I see that happeneing.

2) "Obama won urban demographics of blacks/college grad Liberals and the youth, who have never voted and really dont know what they want and dont know any better (They thought the You-Tube Videos were cool - so hey, why not vote for him?)"  What are you saying here?  They voted in the primary didn't they?  That shows a certain amount of interest, even if they are "urban" and less important than us regular white folk.

3)  Fuck old people.  They're dying anyway.  But seriously folks, he WON THE NOMINATION!  Yet somehow you don't think people will vote for him.  The polls (I know, I know) show otherwise.

4)  Well, if I accept your premise, then I guess Obama is who the "hippies" picked, so the Average Joe Sixpack Racist Dumbass' that you represent can either vote for him, or they can vote for McCain.  I'm sick of seeing my candidates pandering and dumbing it down for people like you.

4.5?)  Can you, just once, not invoke my age into every debate?  Your age doesn't make you right, just like claiming that facts are meaningless doesn't make you right, and saying that "it's just your opinion" doesn't make you right, and saying to represent middle America doesn't make you right.  I can guarantee you that live in a much more conservative city than you, so spare me the lecture.  I see how shit works.

And I refuse to be called smug by the most smug person on the board.

But all of that aside, you didn't answer my question.  Why would Clinton being on the ticket make you want to vote for Obama?  Neither of them have anything to offer you.

Save all of your unfinished thoughts until they are fully baked and ready to be garnished with a NICE.SOLID.PERIOD.

by Spencer on 05/09/2008 12:28:06 AM EST


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Since I know you'll point it out smugly. (none / 0)

I meant "inject my age into every debate", and "saying you represent", and "I can guarantee you that I live".

There we go.  Crisis averted. 

by Spencer on 05/09/2008 12:33:37 AM EST


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LOL (none / 0)
Thank you Spencer, for providing the response that I am too damn tired to make. And, frankly, for making it better than I would have.

by Weapon X on 05/09/2008 01:32:42 AM EST


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