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Communists would agree... (none / 0)

Well at least Trotsky would agree with the decision. There always seems to be a odd connection btwn Trotskites and Republicans (PNAC)...hmmm

 

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by Nick86 on 06/26/2008 05:12:32 PM EST

Ken is no historian (none / 0)

Stalin ran Trotsky out of the country and later had an agent murder him in Mexico City with the first pick used to climb the Matterhorn.  The agent had actually married Trotsky's daughter to infiltrate the Trotsky family.

So your Stalin=Trotsky equivication is, as so often, nonsense. 

by ProfRich on 06/26/2008 05:27:40 PM EST

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Idiot... (none / 0)
Trotsky wanted the Russian population to be armed against the Stalinist Thermidor! He used the SAME logic that Republicans use, that the population should be armed to protect themselves against the abuse of state power. Stalin, like Prof said kicked him out because he challenged Stalin and the bureaucratic machinery of the USSR.

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by Nick86 on 06/26/2008 06:09:39 PM EST

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Smart Man (none / 0)
Trotsky wanted the Russian population to be armed against the Stalinist Thermidor!

It seems like he was a smart man. 


"Trotsky agreed that a new socialist state and economy in a country like Russia would not be able to hold out against the pressures of a hostile capitalist world, as well as the internal pressures of its backward economy. The revolution, Trotsky argued, must quickly spread to capitalist countries, bringing about a socialist revolution which must spread world-wide."

by alphasigmookie on 06/26/2008 06:28:15 PM EST

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This is sort of a general point, but (none / 0)
if you have guns because you want a revolution against the government and you let a law stop you, then you weren't really serious about the whole thing in the first place.

by Spencer on 06/26/2008 06:32:34 PM EST

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@ Spencer (none / 0)
Thats why the Revolution was betrayed, the communists were to destroy the state and replace it with a dictatorship of the proletariat (something that Republicans might actually like, quite liberitarian and pro-gun), Stalin and the bureaucratic minions destroyed the revolution and created a neo-Czarist dictatorship in its place, like most revolutions.

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by Nick86 on 06/26/2008 06:43:14 PM EST

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Well... (none / 0)
I am reading the "Revolution Betrayed" by Trotsky and he basically the destruction of the USSR in 1936 by its own inherent class contradictions...so to those who believe that the USSR was an authentic "communist" experiment...please read Trotsky before you make ignorant claims. Indeed, what is interesting is that many of the PNAC/neocons were Trotskytes...makes u wonder doesn't it about the connections btwn the extreme left and right.

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by Nick86 on 06/26/2008 06:40:55 PM EST

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That is true (none / 0)
Lenin and Trotsky's Russia wasn't that bad a place.  Stalin's was hell on earth.

by ProfRich on 06/26/2008 08:48:33 PM EST

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They (none / 0)
both had their good points, Stalin industrialized the Soviet Union in 10 years...not even China can say that. Without Stalin Hitler's Germany would be in control at least of Eurasia today, but in terms of the socialist revolution Stalin was a complete disaster. Trotsky was theoretically closer to Lenin and Marx, and would have forcibly supported the expansion of communism, since he felt that Russia was only a means to an end to worldwide revolution, Stalin was reactionary in that he accepted capitalist notions of the state and foreign policy...which eventually destroyed the USSR. So, if I had to say I were either it would be Trotsky, who was for to abolition of the state.

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by Nick86 on 06/26/2008 07:10:45 PM EST

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For the record (none / 0)

I myslef am not a Stalinist or a Trotskyite but if I had to choose Trotsky all the way.

Although big props to Moscow Joe for beating the Nazis for us.
 

by ProfRich on 06/26/2008 08:44:55 PM EST

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I have no idea (none / 0)

I was just saying Trotsky was not only not a Stalinist, he was an anti-Stalinist.

And since Trotsky never got to run the show this argument does not even begin to engage Nick's point but we all appreciate the attempt to change the subject. 

by ProfRich on 06/26/2008 08:43:14 PM EST

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