Victory for the Constitution! | 119 comments (119 topical, 0 hidden)
Maybe I'm crazy... (none / 0)
but I think most liberals, including myself, if they are pro-gun control at all, it is near the very bottom of the priority list.

I am actually gun rights with a few, resonable, control laws.  DC was too strict, but then again both DC and NYC crime went down with strict gun control laws.  Maybe its not such a bad thing as a temporary solution.

No time to go into it now.  Maybe later.

by richardshort2001 on 06/26/2008 06:32:14 PM EST

wrong! (none / 0)
I'm glad you're on the right side of the issue, but this statement is blatantly false. 

"DC was too strict, but then again both DC and NYC crime went down with strict gun control laws. "

http://www.youtube.com/watc h?v=qyoLuTjguJA

http://www.journals.uchicag o.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/46798 8

"Using cross-sectional time-series data for U.S. counties from 1977 to 1992, we find that allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons deters violent crimes, without increasing accidental deaths. If those states without right-to-carry concealed gun provisions had adopted them in 1992, county- and state-level data indicate that approximately 1,500 murders would have been avoided yearly. Similarly, we predict that rapes would have declined by over 4,000, robbery by over 11,000, and aggravated assaults by over 60,000. We also find criminals substituting into property crimes involving stealth, where the probability of contact between the criminal and the victim is minimal. Further, higher arrest and conviction rates consistently reduce crime. The estimated annual gain from all remaining states adopting these laws was at least $5.74 billion in 1992. The annual social benefit from an additional concealed handgun permit is as high as $5,000."

by alphasigmookie on 06/26/2008 06:50:11 PM EST

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I'll give you DC (none / 0)
I didn't do enough research, was rushing that post.  There are plenty of numbers out there that show gun control does reduce crime- look at Europe - so it probably depends on a combination of many factors. 

I believe that gun accountability is better than gun control.  Your gun kills someone and you don't report it stolen (i.e. you aren't being a responsible gun owner by keeping track of where your guns are) you are held accountable.

Basically, I have no problem at all with responsible gun owners, but people need to be just that, responsible.

by richardshort2001 on 06/27/2008 12:09:22 AM EST

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Car accountability? (none / 0)
Are you also for car accountability?  If someone steals your car and kills someone with it should you be charged with a felony as well?

As for europe you can't attribute that to gun control alone, there are far too many cultural differences.  My best guess is that frankly they're just tired of killing eachother after 2000 odd years of doing so every chance they got. 

by alphasigmookie on 06/27/2008 05:02:36 AM EST

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Europe misconception (none / 0)

You do understand that the Euros currently not killing each other are not the same ones who were killing each other 2000 years ago, right?

And you get that the people over here are just as much descended from the people over there as the people over there are, right?

So your theory is a like of violence in our historical past (which is a shared past with Europe) is the reason for the high murder rate in the U.S. and the lack of gun control is irrelevant? 

 

by ProfRich on 06/27/2008 07:56:28 AM EST

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Yeah (none / 0)

I don't really give a shit I just find the absurdist extremes of the NRA annoying mostly.

Do you know who does care?

Women, particularly mothers.  Do you know who votes on this?  Gun nuts and moms.  What do you think there are more of?

38% of people want more gun control.  48% say its about right as is.  11% want less.  Like I said, I don't care that much but I find it hilarious that the trolls think this is a big electoral win for them.  I guess the Dems are gonna lose the gun nut vote now.

by ProfRich on 06/26/2008 08:47:46 PM EST

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About right (none / 0)
The reason the numbers are as you claim is that the NRA and pro constitutionalist have won for the most part.  True we've lost CA and NJ and a few other locations, but for the most part we're willing to conceed those losses and simply never move to those places.  For the most part we're fine with the way things are, but will fight like hell against the 38% miniority that believe an overprotective nanny state can protect them from the bad man with a gun (and that the state will never become the bad man with the gun).   

by alphasigmookie on 06/27/2008 03:04:27 PM EST

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Math (none / 0)

So the big bad 11% minority is going to fight against the "38% miniority", huh?

Democracy in action! 

by ProfRich on 06/27/2008 03:18:28 PM EST

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teacher teacher (none / 0)
you should know that 48+11= 59 which is the percentage of Americans that DON'T want more gun control!  My state already allows me to own this... 



and carry these....



I dont' need any LESS gun control, I just don't want any more! 

by alphasigmookie on 06/27/2008 03:31:32 PM EST

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I just came. (none / 0)

"For the most part we're fine with the way things are, but will fight like hell against the 38% miniority that believe an overprotective nanny state can protect them from the bad man with a gun (and that the state will never become the bad man with the gun)."

Again, if you're afraid to break a simple gun law, how are you going to fight the state?

by Spencer on 06/27/2008 03:49:26 PM EST

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That is an awesome point! (none / 0)
I live in Texas.  Believe me, if the government is trying to prevent people who don't like them from stockpiling a large amount of weaponry I can tell you from personal experience they are failing spectacularly.

by ProfRich on 06/27/2008 05:04:55 PM EST

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Pay attention (none / 0)
The issue at hand is less gun control, not more.  The SC ruled for less.  Follow along.

by ProfRich on 06/27/2008 04:52:56 PM EST

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false argument (none / 0)
you posted statistics in general about how americans felt about gun control (likely in their own cities and states).  If you were to ask them if they wanted DC style gun restrictions where they live I'd be willing to bet my left nut that the numbers would be WAY different.  Try having Obama propose renewal of the "assault weapons" ban and see what his poll numbers do. 

by alphasigmookie on 06/27/2008 05:26:08 PM EST

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That wouldn't hurt him (none / 0)

The reason gun control doesn't seem so bad is the notion that we should all be allowed to have AK-47s, howitzers and cluster bombs and shit really only comes up when no one but the gun nuts is paying attention.

I remember Rosie O'Donnel's million mom march.  It blew away the million man march in attendance.

WOMEN DON'T LIKE GUNS.

I know you don't get it. But seriously, ask yourself, how much do you (or me or any of us guys) really know about women? 

by ProfRich on 06/27/2008 05:50:06 PM EST

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Sure... (none / 0)
shes not a self-hating lesbian? She did marry you...:S

Blog: http://perspectivos.blogspo t.com/

by Nick86 on 06/27/2008 06:11:51 PM EST

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Can we ever (none / 0)
have a discussion on this forum that doesn't eventually involve you telling us all how virile you are?  I suspect it's one of those "all hat, no cattle" situations that you Texans talk about.

by Spencer on 06/27/2008 07:35:31 PM EST

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Real men (none / 0)

stand up for their principals. Punk bitches brag about themselves behind the safety of a keyboard even when they admittedly live in their daddy's shadow.

Which are you? 

by z1p101 on 06/28/2008 01:05:36 AM EST

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Yea (none / 0)

Right, OK.

Whatever you say Ken. I think your dad needs his car washed this weekend so you better start preparing.

You don't want to disappoint him now, do you?

by z1p101 on 06/28/2008 01:33:21 AM EST

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So... (none / 0)
Ken by not answering my question...your wife is lesbian? Thanks for telling me...

Blog: http://perspectivos.blogspo t.com/

by Nick86 on 06/28/2008 02:12:02 AM EST

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Na (none / 0)

Would a lesbian marry such a tough and viral man?

He is even an ex high school football hero. Just ask him, he will tell you.

However, he is not half the football hero his Dad was. 

by z1p101 on 06/28/2008 02:37:43 AM EST

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Yes (none / 0)
Its not like she would notice the difference

Blog: http://perspectivos.blogspo t.com/

by Nick86 on 06/28/2008 02:59:10 AM EST

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She's probably using him to get to his dad (none / 0)

by ProfRich on 06/29/2008 12:24:31 AM EST

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Good thing one women doesn't make a demographic (none / 0)

by ProfRich on 06/27/2008 06:18:46 PM EST

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some gals do (none / 0)
I bet a lot of the military wives do--that's how I first began shooting; I had a boyfriend who was an Army Ranger a loong time ago in college.  I have two girlfriends that hunt for meat.  Both are liberals, sorry Ken.

by desertpear on 06/27/2008 08:12:28 PM EST

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Glad to hear it (none / 0)
I think a lot of the problem is fear of the unknown.  I have taken 2 of my wife's friends (both liberals) to the range with me and both enjoyed themselves and came back with a better appreciation for shooting sports. 

by alphasigmookie on 06/27/2008 08:30:51 PM EST

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so true (none / 0)

Just stick a mini-14 in their hands and let them blast away and you have instant gun nuts. 

I don't kill animals with them though.  I leave that to my girlfriends and hope I can get some meat from them. 

by desertpear on 06/27/2008 08:44:51 PM EST

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