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Nice graph (none / 0)

Why don't you get a clue. Pointless.

The UK gun crime rate is significantly lower than the US by factor of 10. 80,000 gun shot wounds in the US vrs 11,000 gun incidents of all kinds..including murders, in the UK There is no comparison of the 2 countires and no direct proof that gun ownership lowers violent crime.

Show me direct empircal proof that gun ownership lowers violent crime. Violent crime has been dropping nationwide in the US for several years now. Show me that gun ownership directly lowers violent crime nationwide. Prove it. You can't.

Of course you conveniently overlook other factors..like drugs:

 


I could demonstrate how rising oil prices  lowers violent gun crime, or rising Fox News ratings lowers violent gun crime...or the decline in rating for American Idol lowers violent gun crime.

By the way, those are nice sad facts.

I wasn't aware tha kids are part of the well regulated militia. I guess kids need to start packin heat in mookie world. Time's change I guess.

Most Americans cant even drive a car correctly much less own a gun. No matter, the SCROTUS has spoken. Keep you head down kids.

by MRFred on 06/27/2008 03:40:22 PM EST

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thanks for proving the point (none / 0)
my point was that there was very little correlation between gun control and LOWERING crime rate (and if there was it was a negative correlation).  I have said EXACLY that the causes of crime have nothing to do with gun avaliability.  Drugs is a perfectly fine example.  If you want to reduce crime, decriminalize drugs, don't disarm innocent citizens. 

by alphasigmookie on 06/27/2008 03:50:01 PM EST

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Your welcome (none / 0)
Now that I proved my point, how about proving yours.

by MRFred on 06/27/2008 04:24:29 PM EST

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As Expected (none / 0)
A complete non-sequitor and thinly veiled racist rant. Nice. As expected....

by MRFred on 06/27/2008 04:27:05 PM EST

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A friend and I have been talking... (none / 0)

About the new Republican coalition. 
First, it has to keep the anti-tax, anti-regulation, pro-corporate and wealthy people because that is what the whole damn thing is about.

I think they might ditch the whole anti-immigration thing and crazy go nuts embracing the Catholics.  Try to court the shit out of the brown vote.

Right now they have:

Rich and corporate (not going anywhere).

Racist (dying out, suspect they will be abandoned).

National Defense voters (Dems are waging a war for these and the GOP has done a terrible job in this arena)

Religious nutjobs (Old school protestantism is on the decline, nontheless, I think the future may be here, but with a more Catholic bent).

Anyone else have a vision of the next GOP coalition? 

by ProfRich on 06/27/2008 05:12:41 PM EST

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I have been worried about that (none / 0)

But then the GOP found something they hate faaaaaaar more.

La Migra! 

by ProfRich on 06/27/2008 05:47:43 PM EST

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I'm not convinced (none / 0)

That they can corral the Catholics.  Definitely some, but not all.

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From wiki:

Catholics represent the largest Christian denomination in America with about 65 million professing the faith in 2003. The 2001 census bureau estimates that 25.9% of the population of adults identify themselves as Catholics...It is even said that Catholics have represented up to 30% of the voting population in recent elections.

 

Traditionally, Catholic voters have voted more for the Democratic pary, opting for civil rights and social security. However, in recent decades, with civil rights for Catholics playing a lesser and lesser role, the Catholic vote is less uniform, and many voters are influenced through issues of abortion and gay marriage. This is coupled by the drifting apart of some Catholics from the church through questions of birth control usage and feminist issues. When it comes to personal issues such as marriage and the family, Catholics are generally considered conservative, but on issues concerning social justice, they are generally considered liberal.

 

 

by desertpear on 06/27/2008 08:25:40 PM EST

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oopsie doopsie--sorry (none / 0)

by desertpear on 06/27/2008 08:26:56 PM EST

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Catholics (none / 0)
I meant "those who vote on Catholic religious issues."  Not all Catholics.  All political coalitions are made up of voting blocks.  The Republicans is falling apart which happens to all parties every few decades.  The next succesful incarnation of the GOP will be a different set of voting blocks.  I think Catholics (especially Hispanic Catholics) who are willing to vote on abortion and other social issues might be a major part of the new coalition but that means dropping immigration.

by ProfRich on 06/27/2008 11:03:38 PM EST

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How are you not a Ron Paul supporter??? (none / 0)

by ProfRich on 06/27/2008 05:07:53 PM EST

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And he hates minorities to boot! (none / 0)
Perftect Ken Kandidate

by ProfRich on 06/27/2008 05:37:16 PM EST

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