Then Netflix (or something like it) is a must. I'm finishing the last season of The Sopranos. 

Two more episodes to go before I see the ending that was ruined for me when Cenk referenced it back when it happened.

I hate spoilers but he said it so fast I didn't have time to stop it.

by Tom Hanc on 07/12/2008 07:14:37 PM EST

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Finish the Sopranos (Cenk is wrong, Tony does not die).

If you have not watched Deadwood, watch it!

If you have not watched The Wire, watch it.  Might be the greatest TV series ever.  No bullshit.

by ProfRich on 07/13/2008 12:27:06 AM EST

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Haven't tried Deadwood.

by desertpear on 07/13/2008 12:35:51 AM EST

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If I finish them tonight.

I've heard good things about Deadwood and Cheryl's friend was briefly in one episode (very small role). The only thing is, I'm not sure I could get her to watch that show, so I'd have to watch it when she wasn't around (unlike Lost which I got her into and which we love. We're about 35% through season 3, and don't you dare spoil it for me).

Maybe I can get her into The Wire but it seems like more of a guy show.  Speaking of which, if I look into The Wire I insist you look into The Shield. It's surprisingly good (and gritty). If you assumed it wouldn't be because it's on FX, thing again.  Trust me.

by Tom Hanc on 07/13/2008 12:36:30 AM EST

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My birthday is in a month and I might get a video/mp3 player.  Could watch the Shield on that.

As for The Wire being a guy show, my wife, sister and mother all love it as much, if not more than me.  Desertpear loves it too.

Its not a guy or girl show.  Its just good.  It is as accurate a representation of the real world as I have ever seen on a TV show.

Deadwood is a brilliant and outrageously watchable slice of American history.  Great characters and a wonderful setting but more importantly a fascinating look into the boom mining towns of the late 1800s western US.

I have said on here before, McCabe and Mrs. Miller (also about a mining town) is the single most insightful movie on US history ever made, Deadwood is similar in TV show format.

The Wire, on the other hand, is a no bullshit, no blinking, no glamor look at the state of America (particularly our cities) today.

by ProfRich on 07/13/2008 01:03:51 AM EST

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And that Sopranos ending wasn't what I expected. I was nervous watching the last two episodes and kept waiting for Tony to get shot or have a heart attack or something.

Do people think Tony's dead because that guy sitting at the counter was staring him down a little and Phil was just hit (plus there was supposed to be a hit on Tony)?

I don't know, abrupt ending but honestly I'll take it over a long, drawn out and stressful court battle that leaves Tony in jail.

by Tom Hanc on 07/13/2008 12:59:58 PM EST

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But ultimately, when dealing with a fictional story, all that happens is what we are told happens.  We do NOT see Tony die.  Period!  Speculating what happens the millisecond after the story stops is all well and good but it is NOT what happened in the story.

One of my two favorite movies of all time is Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.  If you haven't seen it, rent it immediately.  If you have you will understand what I am about to say. (Spoiler)

They don't die at the end.  They just don't.  It may be impossible to imagine them living but the movie clearly stops with them alive.  There is a reason for that kind of artistic choice.

Does anyone really think David Chase (Sopranos creator) chose to end the 80+ hours of one of the most intensely watched series EVER by conveying one of the most dominant 20th century American fiction died but he just didn't get around to showing it?

The point of the damn ending is that you figure out what you think happened.   Chase clearly didn't feel the desire or need to kill Tony or he would have killed him.  Nothing was stopping him.

Personally, I think the ending suggested life went on for Tony and his immediate family which is what I always understood the series to be about.  The daily mundane life of a suburban dad, wife and kids where the dad just happens to be a mob boss.  The final scene was clearly meant to be a typical all-American slice of life.  Something any of us might do with our families to celebrate a special occasion.  Why people need to insert a murdering gunman who was not shown in the scene into it says a lot more about them than Chase's script.

by ProfRich on 07/13/2008 02:33:02 PM EST

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We'll see how it plays out if they make a Sopranos movie. Then again, the movie might not even deal with the regular series finale.

by Tom Hanc on 07/14/2008 11:16:08 AM EST

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