Bush blames Dems for high oil prices | 38 comments (38 topical, 0 hidden)
Finding a way to lose (none / 0)
The democrats always seem to find a way to lose, even on issues they should easily win.  This is a perfect example of Republicans figuring out how to frame an issue to ensure a win (at least on the issue).  We have been over and over the arguments for this issue and there are perfectly resonable cases to be made for not drilling, unfortunatly none that can be summed up in a sound bite that 90% of the voting public can digest.

Yet again the Republicans are proving that no matter how terrible they are on the policy side, they always seem to kick the democrats ass on marketing and politics.  Lets hope Obama can bring back some of his magic and start taking back some of these issues.  Being a democrat is starting to feel like being a Bills fan in the 90's.   

by alphasigmookie on 07/15/2008 01:16:48 AM EST

less effective than gas tax holiday (none / 0)
The problem is that the whole "drilling" issue would have about as much impact on prices as McCains retarded "gas tax holiday" issue.  The main reason I actually support drilling (and they can go ahead and fix the "enron loophole" or whatever they're calling it while there at it) is so that they can get rid of all the excuses.  As long as there is someone/something else to blame we can ignore the real problem...that there's just not enough oil to go around (at least not at under $100 a barrel).  As long as the Republicans can make the Democrats the ones to blame they're in deep shit.  The worst thing that could happen to McCain would be democrats opening up drilling...then he'd be forced to come up with a real energy policy. 

by alphasigmookie on 07/15/2008 01:57:14 AM EST

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Agreed (none / 0)

Just let them drill where they want and watch the oil companies drag their feet. I'm sure They have their eyes on a few hot spots but the idea that they are going to spend billions on new rigs to carpet bomb the new fields is ridiculous. I don't here oil companies (or Ken) complaining about their bottom lines.

Open the new fields tomorrow and 3 months from now when the American people didn't get their instant gratification and they find out that the oil companies are barely moving on these new opportunities the tone will change.

by z1p101 on 07/15/2008 02:46:25 AM EST

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No (none / 0)

you won't find it.

What I do say is that there is plenty of oil out there (and other energy sources like your liquefied coal and shale oil that you never shut up about but don't explain why large privately owned companies are not utilizing them) but that it is getting more and more expensive to get to.

You can do what you usually do by quoting me out of context. Then I can link to the entire post or the top of the thread like I always do.

It is interesting how you did not argue with anything I said there but made an attempt to change the subject.

by z1p101 on 07/15/2008 03:23:01 AM EST

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all bow to kenny (none / 0)
"I think that can get us through the next 200 years while the rest of the world scrounges to compete"

you're so oblivious to anything outside your borders it seems

you know where the US is ordering their nuclear plants from, as are most other countries (China just ordered a bunch)? France, they're the leading authority on nuclear power plants

you truely think no one will find a better way? not only are other countries developing new technologies, so is the US, some great things on the solar field are being done in the US. Some Arabian countries are going to plaster the desert with solar panels, so they'll be fine. Europeans are working on the next generation of nuclear. Japan keeps advancing finding ways to the most out of their energy, they're starting now even to "teach" the Chinese. The alternative energy market in London is raising capital for a string of companies, ...

"You sustainability guys need to focus on American Hegemony"
this makes you a bad guy, just as the Saudies
btw so funny, you know the thing about drafting other countries into the Union, but hey that way you finally might loose Australia as an allie

by callisto on 07/15/2008 08:22:15 AM EST

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You know what (none / 0)
I actually never thought of that point. Very interesting and it makes some sense.

This will give me some comfort if we actually do ramp up domestic drilling...unfortunately, the Repubs will then argue that we need to be patient and that we're securing benefits for the future, etc.

Hopefully Dems can play off of the impatience.

by Tom Hanc on 07/15/2008 10:52:49 AM EST

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Energy plan (none / 0)
Ken, your energy plan is no more complete than the democrats who refuse to accept nuclear, drilling and carbon sequestration as parts of the solution.  I've already made my case for an energy plan and I stick by it.  I know you've read it because you replied at least 10 times in the thread.  I don't feel the need to repeat every time there is a new thread on energy issues.  If you want a refresher here is the link again:

http://www.theyoungturks.co m/story/2008/5/26/2520/4476 9/Diary/Mookie-s-Energy-Pla n

The only thing i'd add is electrified freight rail systems which can be synergistic with upgrading to a smart grid and improving energy transmission for wind and solar.  

by alphasigmookie on 07/15/2008 01:09:25 PM EST

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Repug through and through (none / 0)
here we see the prime example why the Repugs get things so wrong:

you said yourself smookie was getting a PHD in this stuff, which would make him an "expert", him being an expert you of course claim he's wrong

tell us oh great Texas Ken what shall we do to solve the problem?
Note how you say THIS IS the solution, not CAN BE a solution, you're so full of yourself if you know at this point what the solution will be

by callisto on 07/15/2008 08:07:32 AM EST

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Bush blames Dems for high oil prices | 38 comments (38 topical, 0 hidden)