Your paying for it ( oil) now....so to answer your question...we will. We pay for everything directly or indirectly, at least we can have a say in it.

We are paying, or I should say, will be paying for Gramm, Greenspan, Bush and Berneke's Mortgage speculation and I dont recall anyone asked me about that...

And no one said oil companies will lose their profits. We just don't need to give away the farm...like the Rethugs propose, holding the lower gasoline price carrot in front of our faces. 

Thats what they want...why should we sign over our offshore reserves to the big oil companies for a few campaign contributions.

No, if we are going to open up offshore reserves, it should be for domestic consumption only...not dumped into the big oil pool to be sold to speculators and China.

Regardless of how the Rethugs spin it, oil companies are now global companies...they do not have the interests of America,  you or I in mind. The oil will go to the highest bidder, if that hurts the US , oh well.

As we speak the oil companies are pushing a pipeline from Canada to the US West coast so they can sell oil from the Alberta oil sand fields..currently our largest single source of imported oil...to China.

Just a few ideas....

  • Conservation measures first...
  • Retool the power grid higher efficiency transmission lines
  • Higher CAFE Standards for vehicles.
  • Expand wind farms in the wind corridor.
  • End corn ethanol subsidies
  • Standardize nuclear plant design and operator training
  • Reform tax code to allow full deduction ( depreciation ) of solar panels for home use
among other things...

by MRFred on 07/15/2008 04:10:40 PM EST

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The true cost of gasoline is actually far higher than $4 a gallon. 

Yes, that's partly because the price per gallon doesn't reflect the subsidies we give to oil companies but that's not even what I'm referring to.

I'm referring to the billions of dollars we spend each year just to protect our oil interests.  Add to that the health problems created by burning fossil fuels (increased rates of asthma, bronchitis and even cancer) and the true cost of a gallon of gas is easily double what we think we pay at the pump or more.

As usual the oil companies externalize costs that end up being paid by Joe Taxpayer.

So the oil we think is so cheap is not nearly as cheap as we think it is. Alternative energy production will be more expensive in the short/medium term yes, but the price gap is not as large as it appears to be.

by Tom Hanc on 07/15/2008 04:52:09 PM EST

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To watch credibility, one must have creditability and in Kens case that is a dubious proposition at best:
MRFred: “And no one said oil companies will lose their profits.”
Here's a recent exchange between Maxine Waters (D, CA) and the CEO of Shell Oil. Maurice Hinchey (D, NY) says we should nationalize the refineries.

What I sad was

And no one said oil companies will lose their profits.We just don't need to give away the farm...like the Rethugs propose, holding the lower gasoline price carrot in front of our faces. 

As far as Maxine Waters goes,  good for her..thats one opinion, highly unlikely, as you well know , much like another extremist position, I'm sure you will recognize it

 

It’s time to quit your lying and bullshitting you old fool. This is about getting Democrats the hell out of the way and allowing oil companies to drill, EVERYWHERE!! Shut the fuck up about your environmentally sensitive icebergs and your pristine rockies and your endangered brine shrimp. Kne TX

Of course I'm sure all Americans want oil wells everywhere.

MRFred: “Why should we sign over our offshore reserves to the big oil companies for a few campaign contributions.”
Government contracts can be written to give one of every four barrels produced to the government, or payment in kind.

 Thats true..they can be written...but in a Republican world they wont be...another set of sweet deals. The Republicans simply don't collect the money or conveniently forget about it...

The Interior Department’s program to collect billions of dollars annually from oil and gas companies that drill on federal lands is troubled by mismanagement, ethical lapses and fears of retaliation against whistle-blowers, the department’s chief independent investigator has concluded.

Prepared by the Interior Department’s inspector general, Earl E. Devaney, the report said that investigators found a “profound failure” in the agency’s technology for monitoring oil and gas payments.

It suggested that the agency was too cozy with oil companies and that internal critics had good reason to fear punishment.

“It demonstrates a Band-Aid approach to holding together one of the federal government’s largest revenue-producing operations,” Mr. Devaney concluded.

 

Now to distort a thought one must take every thing out of context their entire passage explains the opinion better than Kens distortion:

 

And no one said oil companies will lose their profits.We just don't need to give away the farm...like the Rethugs propose, holding the lower gasoline price carrot in front of our faces.

Thats what they want...why should we sign over our offshore reserves to the big oil companies for a few campaign contributions.

No, if we are going to open up offshore reserves, it should be for domestic consumption only...not dumped into the big oil pool to be sold to speculators and China.

Now, for some Ken credibility checks

If the U.S. is paying a very high price for oil, why would a producer ship oil produced off the Mississippi Gulf Coast all the way to China, when they could sell it to the Chevron refinery in Pascagoula?

Easy, So they can get an even higher price from China. Much like the big oil companies are doing now, attempting push trough a pipeline to the west coast of the US from Alberta  so they can ship oil sand products to China bypassing the US, who is the customer of choice , for now. Also, these are global corporations, not Americana companies...they have no loyalty or interest in solving our energy problem. Just profits.

 

 

by MRFred on 07/16/2008 07:41:22 AM EST

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