Come on Bias, you're smarter than that, you don't actually believe that Bush, the oil companies, Cheney, Graham, Lou Dobbs or any of them actually believe it will do anything, do you? This is about one thing and one thing only, getting McCain elected. The week of the actual election there will probably be some way they can claim credit for lowering the price at the pump by a dime or two and try and steal the election (I mean not that they won't try and steal it the old fashioned way by losing ballot boxes and stuffing other ones and "hacking" Diebold, wink wink.)

The point is anyone who already understands the relationship between oil and gas and hedge markets and peak oil or whatever particular theory you adhere to understands it or has their own theory on it or whatever. I'm sure Dobbs understands it just like McCain understands social security. They are playing the fool. Don't be played for the fool. You can be played for the fool in two ways, one would be to actually believe what they are saying but another is to believe they are that naive. Who knows maybe you're playing me for the fool right now because you know that he knows but I don't know that you know that he knows and oh you know what I mean. Norton, I know that you know that I know, that you wanna fuck me up the ass. Ohhhh Ralphy boy.

Anyway, you know the old saw, never underestimate the stupidity of the American people. I'm sure some people will buy this. Who knows maybe you are right, maybe he believes it himself though I doubt it. But exactly what the McCain's and Bush's and Dobbs of the world want right now is for you or our ilk to get irate over this. Then they'll call in their so-called experts, who are just as full of shit as they are but that is besides the point. They've already distracted you and changed the argument. Not that much different than tobaco lobbysts. This is how they take control and create the agenda, they've got you arguing against their points but it is their point, that is exactly the point. Their point, their agenda.

It is like when you are arguing with a bully in grade school, or little miss popular, sometimes the best way is to ignore it/them and not argue. I think one reason Barack is so successful is that he does this so well, he is above it without being condescending. Of course he's gotten dragged into a few fights and I'm sure there will be more (a lot more) in the next two months but he seems to use two tactics very well (can't wait until there are a plethora of books on his tactics). One is defuse, he doesn't walk away, he stands up for himself but he defuses the situation, he responds then walks away and answers in his own time on his terms. The second is that when he does respond, he finds a way to spin the argument, finds some small crack in the logic with which to come back at them.

For instance, with the current bank run, he wants to know why we aren't focusing on the story from the perspective of the individual home owner. Then he politely asked to see more of that coverage. See even his words, the story from the perspective, change the game.

Of course these are the same fools that refused to raise CAFE standards, kept an exception/loop hole for SUV's (a 100,000 tax break) for small business owners and farmers (that was intended for farmers with trucks but was used by yuppies with escalades), refused to acknowledge a recession. But come on, these are the guys invested in oil and gas, and the talking heads are invested in these politicians in one form or another. I just don't buy that Dobbs doesn't really get it. The real question though is how do you frame the argument without trying to convince him of what he probably already knows, or his kind knows, without resorting to name calling. And I'm not sure it is about trying to sway those fools who actually fall for his argument, because perhaps they are ignorant of the facts but more likely they are just plain foolish. I don't know, but I hope Barack has an answer.

(And I'm not talking about ANWR or Off Shore drilling or gas at 4 bucks, cause we all know that has one answer and one answer only, get that fool out the White House pronto, by any means.)

Whatever you do, don't click this link (studies show you're more likely if you shouldn't)

by tiggerporn on 07/14/2008 08:49:48 PM EST

I can't pretend to know what Dobbs really thinks. But look, I wasn't necessarily saying that I think that he thinks the plan is great.

My point was that Lou was playing up the fact that the Republicans had a plan period, which apparently makes it a good one because (in Lou's mind) the Dems don't. 

That's where the BS is, that he's buying into these Nike Politics.

by Tom Hanc on 07/15/2008 06:24:40 PM EST

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