And perfectly crafted statements for what Obama's responses should be, Rich. Unfortunately, whereas earlier Obama would surprise me by saying exactly what I always wished a Democrat would say, or something even better, he has rarely made the argument that would illustrate an actual progressive/liberal (what used to be known as Democratic) rebuttal. He stopped making these sorts of stands weeks ago, and will likely come up with some weak-ass talking point or ignore the subject completely.

Will someone (should have been Wes Clark before Obama disowned him) please start repeating on TV the fact that Bush fired every single military officer who disagreed with the neocons? What am I thinking, of course no one will do that. Not until many years later when the press will rediscover these facts and then brag about how their in-depth journalistic investigation has uncovered 'new' facts.

Hope I'm wrong. Or that you're actually one of Obama's advisors, are with him on this trip, and that he's decided to listen to you.

by Weapon X on 07/23/2008 02:47:35 AM EST

I guess one reason I put this up here is in hopes Cenk and our fine web soldiers will start running this out there.  I would put in on HuffPo or some other sites but have no idea how.  Never been to any of those.  How do we get the message out.

I agree that Obama will almost certainly not do this, I just wish he would.  Maybe we can get it into a forum his advisors might see.

Finally, its pretty clear Obama or anyone who is viewed as an Obama surrogate can't break down Petraeus but why can't Cenk?  Why can't Maddow? Or Markos whatshisname?  If we are going to shatter the aura of Saint Petraeus it is going to have to come from the blogosphere.

by ProfRich on 07/23/2008 12:28:21 PM EST

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My first reaction when I have these thoughts (e.g., why hasn't someone brought up this particular fact to fight the battle?) is that SURELY Obama and his advisors have already discussed whether to use this particular ammunition and have decided not to for some larger strategic vision.  Is this a bad assumption?  I don't know what to think when a dem nominee doesn't immediately come back with such facts when presented with certain questions.  It's always totally frustrating to be a back-seat campaign manager!!!*

*with apologies to bobo for using his trademark triple exclamation points

by desertpear on 07/23/2008 03:04:15 PM EST

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Sounds like a job for Tom, he's pretty good on the follow-thru with putting together a letter and spreading the word. I think if we all made these points in an e-mail/letter and sent that to every Obama contact address that may make a difference. Dependent upon how many actually do it, of course. But just based on sheer volume and persistence, someone may forward these thoughts up the chain at Obama HQ and mayhaps we can effect some change...

by Weapon X on 07/24/2008 12:10:04 AM EST

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