Shooting The Messengers: Gunman Targets "Liberals" | 63 comments (63 topical, 0 hidden)
What is so sad, hazmat... (none / 1)
Is that you actually believe that listening to conservative talk actually makes you a stark raving mad killing machine... I'm sure this man had unfortunate circumstances. I'm sure that he probably did get outsourced and had a hard time of it. But to equate this singular situation to the listening of talk radio is completely absurd and small minded... This man's mental issues aside, I'm sure that in his mind he had been pushed to the brink - A LOT of Americans are being pushed to the brink, and they see no relief in sight from either party this election cycle, and that is pissing a whole chunk of the population off... Its not because they listen to Rush or Hannity - its because they're tired of seeing the good engineering jobs going to H1B visa holders from the Punjab that will work for 5 dollars an hour when the job used to pay 20!!! They are getting sick and tired of being told that they are to blame for the ills of the world. They are sick and tired of Blacks parading around calling each other the N word and getting a free pass from the Liberal establishment. They are tired of welfare mothers driving around in new cars with Iphones while their families don't qualify. They are tired of going to McDonalds or Taco Bell and dealing with stupid fuckers who don't speak English while trying to place an order. They are tired of their teenagers not having any job prospects because the businesses want to save a buck by hiring foreigners. They are tired and pissed when they see the laws of this country being selectively enforced on both ends of the wealth spectrum. They're pissed that they have to have Liberalism crammed down their throats each and every day by the MSM and being told that if they don't accept it that they are "bigots" or "racists" or "homophobes". They are upset that they have the "gay, black, womens, transexual, hispanic and whoever elses agenda" rammed into their anus everyday by eggheaded pointy dick Liberals who tell them they should just "all get along!!!" People are getting really pissed, hazmat. Now I hope that they choose not to take their anger out on innocents (especially children), but maybe its gonna take a few more of these terrible instances for people to recognize that there is an abounding menace encompassing us all, and its far larger than some stupid ass talk radio show!!! I welcome your thoughts from happyland now...

by bobo1 on 07/28/2008 05:25:55 PM EST

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News Flash! (none / 0)
Um, I hate to break it to you, but it's generally Republicans who promote the "free trade" that leads to outsourcing and wage depression.

The Republican party is also split on undocumented workers, with the more powerful end throwing bones to the racists and xenophobes (FENCE<FENCE<FENCE!) while protecting the *real* culprits, i.e. the businesses that exploit cheap labor and depress wages and benefits.

Also, as Cenk has pointed out, welfare makes up (at most) 1% of the total federal budget. Maybe you think that's a lot but Republicans piss away WAY more money on pointless wars and fraudulent contractors and no-bid contracts.


Finally, it cracks me up to learn about all of these minority agendas that are supposedly shoved down my throat every day.


Guess what? I'm a white male. I'm not Christian (although I was baptised and have attended a Catholic church many times in my life) but I'm not a minority unless you consider that I'm sorta bi-lingual and my that my parents weren't born here.


Again, I laugh at the poor, put-upon majority. The biggest trick the Republicans have is to convince you that the powerful/rich/opportunity laden majority is disenfranchised by a handful of minority groups (including gays).


As usual they blame the victim and side with the powerful interest groups. Like my conservative acquaintance that thinks I'm "too hard" on the oil companies. It's sad really...like someone rooting for Ivan Drago to beat Rocky.

by Tom Hanc on 07/28/2008 05:48:03 PM EST

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bias... (none / 0)
There is no need for you to lecture me on the root causes of the ills I describe - believe me, you are not speaking to the blind or illiterate... What you and most liberals fail to understand is that what this guy who shot up the church in Tennessee perceived to be the cause of his rage cannot be explained using words like "disenfranchised" and "xenophobe" or "outsourcing" - intelligent words for you and I, but to Joe "shoot up the Unitarians" Sixpack, those words are meaningless... What they see is foreigners taking their jobs, both here and abroad. What they see is homosexuals, hoochies and hippies overriding their TV. What they hear is that if they are anti Gay marraige, then they are bad. What they know is that they're paying bookoo in taxes (perceived or otherwise) and watching the welfare mothers use their food cards and Iphones at the same time. You can sit there with your charts and graphs and polls and tell me (and them) that the cause of their Hell is Conservatives and Bush, but you will be hard pressed to make a significant change in their perception because you do not seem to relate to or understand their position and reasoning - telling me for example that you "laugh at the poor put on majority" not only shows me your contempt for those who do not think as you do, but it also points out the Liberals greatest weakness - their arrogance and belief that only they know all the answers. This is why Liberalism doesnt win in America - there are a lot more people who think like Joe Sixpack than there are of you, Tom. Thanks for your time, as always.

by bobo1 on 07/28/2008 06:12:26 PM EST

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It's Sad (none / 0)
 What a sad little world you live in Bobo.

by kshears on 07/28/2008 06:20:03 PM EST

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Dont be sad... (none / 0)
Its the same world we all live in - some of us just accept it better than others... Remember - I'm not the one who shot up the church in Tennessee, I just can see where he might be coming from... Understanding is the first step toward solving the problems we face... Thanks again for your unnecessary pity... :)

by bobo1 on 07/28/2008 06:26:33 PM EST

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Your job was outsourced to gays too? (none / 0)

"Thanks again for your unnecessary pity..."  Quit throwing the bullshit pity party and you'll quit getting pity.

And, since "Understanding is the first step toward solving the problems we face...", maybe you can take a moment to understand where we're coming from when we say that talk radio is a part of this.  Thom Hartmann breaks it down for you.  The man's madness is obviously the root cause of his act of terrorism, but the talk radio sure does give him (and it seems you as well) something to focus it on.

Cheer up bobo.  Ken will be here to get your back soon I'm sure.

by Spencer on 07/28/2008 07:30:55 PM EST

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It was? (none / 0)
So bobo was the policeman or the cowboy?

by MRFred on 07/30/2008 09:49:59 AM EST

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lol sad booboo (none / 0)
just keep egging them on and ull get to keep ur free market...lol..what were u saying about homegrown? what again...lol jack ass...ur the one who prays on these small minded joe six packs.. u and ur friends have only managed to create is a uneducated mass of hate what do u think is going to happen...

by Bungle on 07/28/2008 06:42:00 PM EST

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Why Bobo's violent rage is misplaced (none / 0)

If Joe "I Hate Black People" Sixpack is poor enough to be visiting Taco Bell and McDonald's as regularly as you say he does, then his income is probably too low to qualify for taxation (the number of Americans who fall into this category would astound you, not to mention that it would severely handicap conservative mantras about the evils of taxation).  And if he's making more than that, then I'm sure he's not frequenting Taco Bell and McDonald's, because the last thing he wants is to end up like the two fat women in that moronic post Ken made about NPR the other day. 

by OneHitKill on 07/28/2008 08:21:54 PM EST

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bobo leaps to defend rightwing terrorism (none / 0)

"They are getting sick and tired of being told that they are to blame for the ills of the world."

If you voted for Bush, you are to blame.

 

They are sick and tired of Blacks parading around calling each other the N word and getting a free pass from the Liberal establishment. They are tired of welfare mothers driving around in new cars with Iphones while their families don't qualify. They are tired of going to McDonalds or Taco Bell and dealing with stupid fuckers who don't speak English while trying to place an order.

Man those 'colored people' just mess up your world, don't they?  DAMN YOU COLORED PEOPLE, DAMN YOU!

 

They are tired of their teenagers not having any job prospects because the businesses want to save a buck by hiring foreigners.

Talk to KenTx, he hires them instead of teenagers to do his lawn. 

 

They're pissed that they have to have Liberalism crammed down their throats each and every day by the MSM and being told that if they don't accept it that they are "bigots" or "racists" or "homophobes". They are upset that they have the "gay, black, womens, transexual, hispanic and whoever elses agenda" rammed into their anus everyday by eggheaded pointy dick Liberals who tell them they should just "all get along!!!"

Freedom to hate whoever we want is one of our most basic freedoms.  It's one of the main freedoms the Islamo-fascists hate us for.

 

Now I hope that they choose not to take their anger out on innocents (especially children), but maybe its gonna take a few more of these terrible instances for people to recognize that there is an abounding menace encompassing us all, and its far larger than some stupid ass talk radio show!!! 

Sounds like you're right on the edge there yourself, bobo.  Calm down, take the clip out of your Glock, rack the slide back and eject the one in the chamber so you don't accidently shoot your balls off when you fall asleep. 

by bfaul on 07/28/2008 06:30:10 PM EST

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Oh bfaul... (none / 0)
Everyone knows Glocks are for pussies - I have real guns... In all seriousness though, I think you might be missing the larger point - I'm not "on the edge" all by myself - There are so many Americans out here with me that its starting to look like the middle instead of a fringe... See you when you get here... :)

by bobo1 on 07/28/2008 06:42:58 PM EST

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"I have real guns..." (none / 0)
Yeah, so when you go on your killing spree, you'll really git 'r done.  Not like this two victim punkass.

by Spencer on 07/28/2008 07:59:59 PM EST

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Real guns AND real dementia (none / 0)

Wow, Bobo walked right into that one.  If you can depend on anything, you can depend on petty oneupmanship from a right-wing ass scratcher.

Everyone knows guns are for pussies.  I'd have used an RPG.

Everyone knows RPGs are for pussies.  I'd have used an attack chopper.

Everyone knows attack choppers are for pussies.  I'd have used a tank.

Et cetera. 

by OneHitKill on 07/28/2008 08:11:31 PM EST

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Actually Jesse... (none / 0)
Although guns and tanks are convienent for mass destruction etc, I prefer the John Rambo approach - I'll use my bare hands and my sheer will to eliminate that which impedes me in life... More Americans need to be more self reliant like this - That would sole A LOT of our current problems... :)

by bobo1 on 07/28/2008 08:36:27 PM EST

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The only way you're killing anyone (none / 0)

is if they're close to your bar/couch/bathroom floor and are too old/young/crippled to defend themselves.  Or it would be one of these kind of situations, where you get all tough and think you're John Wayne and then turn bitch two seconds after you've realized what you've done.

by Spencer on 07/28/2008 08:46:50 PM EST

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Oh yeah... (none / 0)

I had an SM2 Block4 ER with expanding rod warhead. Before that I had a Trident C4...

Oh...nuts... who am I kidding... I was just the engineer. All I did was keep the lights on. I did get to carry a 45 during security drills...no bullets.

 

by MRFred on 07/30/2008 09:57:01 AM EST

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I'm kind of already there (none / 0)

There are so many Americans out here with me that its starting to look like the middle instead of a fringe... See you when you get here... :)

Oh, they're out there all right, and accumulating, but I don't think they're with you, I think they mean to stop the conservatives before they bring it all down.  They'll use the vote to do it, not guns. 

by bfaul on 07/28/2008 09:59:59 PM EST

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I honestly hope you're right, bfaul... (none / 0)
I really do...

by bobo1 on 07/28/2008 10:44:18 PM EST

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I think you're responding to someone else (none / 0)

because I didn't mention talk radio and half your post was about talk radio, but just the same I want to focus your attention on this comment:

"but maybe its gonna take a few more of these terrible instances for people to recognize that there is an abounding menace encompassing us all"

I don't think I've taken you unfairly out of context here. You believe that terrorism is an acceptable outlet for those who feel politically agrieved. Because make no mistake, this man is a terrorist, as sure as any suicide bomber in ramallah. Clearly he hates America so much that he is prepared to kill his fellow Americans and perhaps would be willing to be martyred in the process. Bobo is saying that we need to recognize this man's pain and help him out, or we're going to continue getting terrorized. I submit to you that the man is angry and crazy, and its not my fault that he backs the wrong party against his own interests.

Nonetheless, I do not favor labeling him an enemy combatant and sending him to guantanamo, as bobo would have us do with other terrorists. He is a US citizen, and as such deserves a trial by jury of his peers, and afforded the full spectrum of rights to which he is entitled to under the constitution of the United States of America. Including the right to be presumed innocent.

Yes, even though he hates America.

by hazmat on 07/28/2008 06:39:32 PM EST

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hater (none / 1)

"...maybe its gonna take a few more of these terrible instances for people to recognize that there is an abounding menace encompassing us all."

Spoken like a true hater.  Exactly how are liberals an "abounding menace" (whatever that means) when your Republican friends have been in power for eight years?  If the melting pot is too hot for you, maybe you should consider moving to a whiter country that wasn't founded on genocide and immigration.  That doesn't apply to your friend Ken I guess, because he is one of these people of hispanic heritage that might try to ram his agenda into your anus. 

 

by desertpear on 07/28/2008 08:50:55 PM EST

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great minds (5.00 / 2)

we both caught the same sentence. Pretty shocking admission from bobo, don't you think? You're only about 100% right, 0% wrong. What do these f*ckheads have to complain about anyway? I'm sorry for the language in mixed company but bobo got me really pissed off. There is a politician in our midst who was treated like a messiah (anyone seen Jesus Camp?), but it isn't Barack Obama. It is George "I speak to a higher father" Bush. And he was treated that way by some of the same assholes who poke around here talking about how they've been disenfranchised because "neither party represents them". These people can get in fucking line on that score, because liberals are the ones who have been disenfranchised these past eight years. One party rammed through a right wing agenda while the other one that was supposed to be guarding the henhouse was out sipping martinis with tim russert and george stephanopolous.

I can't believe the unmitigated gall of bobo to get on here and tell me this coward in tennessee was "disenfranchised" . Let me give an alternative explanation. People like mr. bobo and mr. "I can't live with my cognitive dissonance any more so I'm going to shoot at children and strangers in a church" have delivered to us the worst government in US history (its possible that hoover's was worse but I'm not going to argue), and they have their heads buried so far up they're asses they can see daylight, so they won't own up to the GIANT CLUSTERFUCK they've gotten our nation into, or that they're gods have done potentially irreparable harm to the constitution and our system of laws. If there's anyone who has a right to go postal right now, its liberals and progressives. But we don't, because unlike these pathetic unbalanced excuses for human beings, we try to maintain our optimism about the future against all odds. We're fixers.

This rant is over.

by hazmat on 07/29/2008 12:40:54 AM EST

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zing (none / 0)

That doesn't apply to your friend Ken I guess, because he is one of these people of hispanic heritage that might try to ram his agenda into your anus.

Ouch.  You go girl.

by bfaul on 07/28/2008 09:43:54 PM EST

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poor bobo (none / 0)
Now that I realize that each "they" in the above paragraph is actually supposed to be "I" (bobo), I better understand your problems.  Poor white men; I feel so sorry for them.  Being forced to watch liberal TV and all.

by desertpear on 07/28/2008 09:31:30 PM EST

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Why (none / 0)
could you not simply state "what the hell are you talking about?  This man was obviously out of his mind, his political affiliations are just about irrelevant."  That was what I was going to post.  Then I saw you rant and justify what this sicko did.

Truly amazing.

by jarett on 07/29/2008 03:46:03 AM EST

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It was not justification... (none / 0)
I certainly am not in any frame of mind or position to Justify the actions of this man - he was obviously derranged. I was merely reacting to the media reaction and perhaps to explain some of the frustrations he might have been experiencing. If we don't talk about the causes, how do we ever find a solution, Jarrett? Don't they teach that at ND anymore?

by bobo1 on 07/29/2008 09:32:51 AM EST

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If only (none / 0)

You say that if we don't talk about the cause, how can we find a solution.

I wish conservatives believed that about terrorism.

Guess it only applies when the deranged killers "cause" is something you are sympathetic to.

And for the record, the cause of this man's actions was a schizophrenic episode.  The only cause to discuss is in the realm of psychoanalysis.  Please don't try to validate his feelings about the world because you like them.  He was a crazy person who did something crazy.

by ProfRich on 07/29/2008 10:34:07 AM EST

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explain to me (none / 0)

the difference between this incident and terrorism. Politically motivated random killing of strangers by a dissillusioned guy who feels he has no recourse. And bobo has just explained to us that if we would satisfy this guys every political desire, i.e. if people would stop being gay, stop listening to rap music, stop being outsourced, and on and on, i.e. stop being american, then maybe this wouldn't happen. We have ourselves to blame says bobo. I think that makes bobo officially a terrorist sympathizer.

by hazmat on 07/29/2008 11:10:08 AM EST

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It's so obvious (none / 0)

The difference between this guy (and the Israelis for that matter) and Al Qaeda is bobo agrees with this guy.

Terrorism is politically motivated random killing done by people you disagree with.

In the same way that Christianity is fact but other people's religion is mythology.

by ProfRich on 07/29/2008 11:41:49 AM EST

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what a relief (none / 0)
Now I understand. I was so confused.

by hazmat on 07/29/2008 12:13:42 PM EST

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welfare moms get Iphones and new cars? sign me up! (none / 0)
What the hell are you talking about? Since when can welfare buy new cars?

BYW: I've worked with "stupid fuckers" who may not know English, but are harder working more honest people than any suburban 17 year-old slacker who can actually speak English.

Wow, I can't believe people like you and the shooter exist in this day and age. I'm so glad I only see your type on the internet and on Fox Noise...

by chrisandyasemin on 08/03/2008 12:02:07 PM EST

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I'm going to nominate bobo (none / 0)

for the most inflammatory post of all time. And the most pro-terrorist post I've ever seen in the blogosphere. I don't read the con blogs, so i dunno, they're probably full of terrorist appeasement like this.

by hazmat on 08/03/2008 01:23:49 PM EST

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by the way (none / 0)
another gem from bobo. I don't know how I manage to bring out the best in him.

by hazmat on 08/03/2008 01:26:19 PM EST

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He really should have his own parade. (none / 0)

by desertpear on 08/03/2008 06:37:02 PM EST

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I thought we were done with this rant... (none / 0)
But apparently not, so here it goes -

I dont know where you live, Chris/Yasemin, but here in the Valley of the Sun, (that would be Phoenix), it is a common site whilst standing in the grocery line at Walmart or Fry's to see welfare mothers with their 4 children (and one on the way usually) paying for their booze, cigarettes and the occasonal gallon of milk with their EBT/Food Stamp cards while talking on their new Iphones. The gang tatoos usually indicate where they are from (Mexico or LA, whats the difference really) as they cart their children into their shiny yellow Hummers...

Now, I understand this does not apply to all welfare recipients - but here in my neck of the woods, it seemingly aplies to a whole lot of them, and its absolutely sickening!!! Add to the fact that most of these fucking people are illegal in the first place, running across the border with their amniotic water running down their legs making sure that their bastard children are "American citizens" doesnt help the situation....

As for your hard working illegal compatriots - LET THEM WORK WHERE THEY BELONG!!!!! They dont belong here, and they are fucking the jobs economy in this area to the point where wages are severely depressed... Now, the Liberals will say punish the businesses, and im all for that, but the problem wouldnt exist if the illegal people were not here to begin with!!!

Now I certainly dont condone violence, but I can sure see where that guy in Tennessee was coming from, and I can imagine being pushed over the edge by listening and watching the Liberals extend their open arms to such ideas as Amnesty and Government care for all. Im sure he was a bit imbalanced psychologically, but hey, a lot of people nowadays are...

As for me only existing on the internet and Fox News, let me say this - There are a whole lotta people just like me. They might not be as vocal, they might just keep it all pent up inside, but kid yourself not - we exist and are growing in numbers - You're gonna see a whole lot of my kind of people coming up from the woodwork when they elect Obama the Messiah as president...

So you sit there in your safe little delusional Obama Camelot - let the real people in the world exist and survive.... We are everywhere, and you better start accepting that fact as truth...

:)

by bobo1 on 08/03/2008 02:17:04 PM EST

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agree with bobo (none / 0)

John McCain's campaign needs to run with this. Its a real winner. Make ads shitting about illegals and wellfare moms and spend millions of dollars on it. The silent majority must be heard! John McCain is their mouthpiece!

Thanks for your comments bobo... :)

by hazmat on 08/03/2008 04:30:20 PM EST

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Who said anything about McCain? (none / 0)
McCain and Obama both are promising Amnesty, so why would they be on my side? This election cycle for me (especially concerning immigration) is like that episode of South Park when Stan had to pick between the Giant Douche and the Turd Sandwich. You take your pick as to which one is which this time!!! :)

by bobo1 on 08/03/2008 05:37:53 PM EST

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You dont get it do you... (none / 0)

I guess the heat must have gotten to you.

The very "conservatives" you seem to want emulate are selling you down the river.

Bobo, its really too late...the damage is done, wages have been driven down in many industries to the point that Americans have already moved on to new locales or professions,like Walmart Greeter , and our good "conservative" Cato and Heritage Foundation  economist friends are already adding up the profits.Consequently, they are already predicting grave economic consequences if immigrant labor is  constrained or restricted. Namely the industries in question will simply offshore completely if illegal labor is curtailed and companies are forced to pay a living wage. Hell of a thing.

As I said before

Well now, that is a problem..the fine people who support many of bobo's favorite conservative candidates are also the very ones who use illegals as a means to bust unions, drive down wages and exploit the underground economy. 

They also do it overtly, like the "private " Texas Corridor, a private highway to Mexico and bypass customs no less. It will be used to drive small independent truckers out of business and bust the Longshoreman and other seagoing unions at our major ports by Walmart and other big RNC contributors.

 The part I left out is the "super port " being built in western Mexico that ties the whole thing together.


Like every thing else GOP...its all about the money...as long there is a profit to be made there will never be any meaningful immigration reform in the US. The only thing to do now is accept that all the diversionary euphemisms like "guest workers and stalling tactics of Reagan, Bush I and Clinton have taken there toll.

The only solution is that these people must be assimilated in to American society in someway. In 75 years they'll be the ones bitching about the Mongolians or some other group...

by MRFred on 08/03/2008 10:36:30 PM EST

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Crap.. (none / 0)
their

by MRFred on 08/03/2008 10:37:33 PM EST

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Shooting The Messengers: Gunman Targets "Liberals" | 63 comments (63 topical, 0 hidden)