the very first surgical procedures ever performed were brutal, filthy, and had incredibly high rates of mortality. by your logic, we would have banned surgergy because all past attempts at it were quite unsuccessful.

i could go on with more examples, but the standard schema for your type of "argument" is:

doing X in the future is bad because X was tried in the (near/distant) past and had negative results. so we should never ever in future try X because it will end up with the same negative results it had in the past.

life, esp. modern life, is all about making trade-offs w.r.t. risk and reward. every aspect of our lives is fraught with risk---you can get hit by a car the next time you step out on the streets.

 

it is important to make intelligent choices and tradeoffs so that we balance the positives and negatives.

the sensible response to offshore drilling, esp. from anyone that claims to be from the reality based community (as opposed to those who want people to make decisions based on "visceral" or "emotional" considerations) would be:

  1. look for examples of such drilling in other parts of the world (norway is a great example---the country is heavily dependent on oil drilling and extraction for its economic prosperity, and its oil rigs are all built on some of the most inhospitable seas on the planet)
  2. check to see what other people have done to minimize the risk of oil spills---advances in technology, implementing safe-guards, having a response program of quick cleanup if at all a spill occurs, etc.
  3. check to see what regulations/fines/incentive s need to be put in place to make sure that private and governmental agencies in the u.s. would conform to these oil-spill avoidance or reduction measures.
  4. try to ensure that the laws allowing offshore drilling are written to always include these safeguards in place.
  5. prepare for accidents and failures, hopefully occurring at very low-probability, assuming that the previos steps were undertaken with care and rationality.
  6. set up research and funding (and demand that private industry do the same) to always improve the safety of the drilling technology.

otherwise, all your touchy-feely-weepy pleas about the oil-soiled gulls and petrotuna are a load of crock. you should just give up all technology and move into the woods like ted kaczinsky.

 

finally, you could claim that none of these safeguards or regulations can be enforced in the u.s. because the government is firmly in the pockets of the oil companies. if that is the case, then your concern about santa barbara seagulls is entirely out-of-place---your society and government are so deeply fucked up that you need to start your cleanup not in oil spills, but elsewhere.

by neo on 08/01/2008 04:34:02 PM EST

There is scientific evidence to support the theory that all life on earth is connected. This is no longer merely a "touchy-feely" idea supported by weak minded liberals who only think with their emotions. As a side note there is also reason to believe that those in touch with empathy, the capacity to feel for others are healthier than your average bear. When you hear people denegrating feelings at the expense of logic, first think of the 1950's scifi movie and the standard prop, the high school professor who explains to Timmy and Jane why nuclear energy is the safe clean future for flying cars. All life is connected, but let's forget about the warm fuzzies and cybernetics and the Gaia theory.

Global warming is fact not theory. The deniers who laugh about seagulls and spotted owls want us to believe that save the whales and flower power are dead ideas expounded by hippies high on drugs in the 1960's. The reality is that Exxon Mobil took the 2 billion they were supposed to pay for the Exxon Valdez spill and invested it in themselves and it is worth 10 billion now, meanwhile the fine got cut to 1 billion then cut again to 500 million. They haven't paid a dime.

Oil companies are not your friend. They do not want to help you. They have their bottom line and their bottom line in mind only. As they have been saying over and over the price of oil is a globally traded commodity and the price is set by the New York Mercentile hedge fund exchange. They are investing their massive profits back into themselves. Buying back their own stock. They really do not want to drill more or explore more. If they are pushed to, sure, they will, but not without incentive (usually in the form of tax breaks).

You want to be friends with big oil? Go ahead, cozy up to them, ask for more drilling. You want to know how they treat their friends. Forget about how they treat their enemies, like the Alaskans owed money for the Valdez spill, Al Gore or the Iraqies. Look at GM and Ford, ready to go bankrupt building gas guzzling SUV's and trucks. You think Exxon gives a flying fuck about their worries now? Not as long as they're making record profits.

We have more than John Edwards two Americas. Right now those with money in gold and oil are doing well. Anyone who took their money out of the market before the dot com crash and got it into real estate and then got out of real estate into gold or oil is fine. Everyone else is fucked.

But we have two middle classes. Upper and lower. The upper middle class have thirty year mortgages and still have equity in their homes. Their is a fine line separating the corporate lackies with 20,000 down on the home and 40,000 in debt who have a company car and fly on frequent flier miles from the close to retirement vested homeowner. They are both upper middle class, but when the housing slump continues there will reach a critical point at which equity becomes negative, the debt has to be paid off with the so-called savings, airlines cut back on bonuses and corporations squeezed by ever slimmer margins cut out the bonuses. People have been riding this pull equity out of the home, buy an SUV, resell it, get a new one, flip the home wave. Sure it already crashed, old news. But now the SUV's can't be resold. So you can't buy the new one. So the housing crunch will put Ford and GM out of business. Do the oil companies give a fuck? Fuck no. If you get in bed with the devil you better prepared to get fucked in the ass.

What do you think has a more viable future, the internal combustion engine or lithium ion battery technology?

Whatever you do, don't click this link (studies show you're more likely if you shouldn't)

by tiggerporn on 08/02/2008 02:29:01 PM EST

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None of the spills on the west coast have been storm related.They have all been due to drilling in a continental shelf that is fractured, faulted and unstable because the pacific plate is being forced under the continental plate. So get back to me when advances in technology allow us to prevent earthquakes and I'll reconsider my position.

by canyonrat on 08/04/2008 06:31:23 PM EST

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