That if you depend on someone elses "research" or "statistics" or "polling numbers" then you are most of the time just spewing and repeating someone elses bias and propoganda... Take this oil drilling thing for example - Who pays these "scientists" who come up with these wildly fluxuating numbers? Oil Companies, Tree Hugger Lobbyist Groups, The Government? None of these "research" sources should be deemed reliable in my estimation... Rich, why are you so opposed to people thinking for themselves and using their own common sense and intuition? Do you loathe the common man (those you espouse to want to help) that you must criticize and deride them for making their own judgements? We're not all academics, but we as a soceity have done pretty well on our own - we don't need pointy dicked theoraticians always telling us that we don't know how to think or live our own lives! That is one of the main problems with Liberalism in this country - they assume to know us better than we know ourselves - and that is shining through with elitism and arrogance this election cycle! Again with the oil drilling bit - either Nationalize oil so we reap the benefits of our own resources or STFU and let them drill - we need ALL the oil we can get until you tree hugging hacks come up with something better for us to use (whatever happened to fission/fusion research for electric generation?) Thanks...

by bobo1 on 08/02/2008 12:36:36 PM EST

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how Obama is doomed becuase America is full of  uninformed racists who don't care about the issues enough to educate themselves.

 Now the common man's gut's opinion is something we should treat as equal ground with the opinions of experts, because your ultra-bleak world view assumes every one of them is corrupt even though a majority of them say that offshore drilling will (at best) do very little.  Yeah I am sure the tree huggers can out bribe the oil companies.

 

by richardshort2001 on 08/02/2008 12:58:35 PM EST

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for saying what needed to be said "Yeah I am sure the tree huggers can out bribe the oil companies".

That's the same line we also need to remind people of when they say global warming is well funded scam.

by Tom Hanc on 08/02/2008 01:05:15 PM EST

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Not sure I can add anything that would help my point more than bobo just did.

Let's all take a second to remember that the post above comes from a classroom teacher.

I have to wonder does he teach his kids to ignore science, logic, fact and evidence and trust their own instincts or his?

by ProfRich on 08/02/2008 01:10:11 PM EST

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are to fuck, fight and stuff our faces full of fatty, sugary foods.

Oh, and to lay around and conserve energy.  Sometimes our instincts make sense but many other times it needs to be balanced out or overpowered by our prefrontal cortex.

by Tom Hanc on 08/02/2008 01:15:18 PM EST

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Bobo, you bring up a good point--that sources of "scientific" information should be scrutinized before being swallowed hook, line, and sinker, but then you go and discount all research just because some sources may be suspect. That is the crazy-man approach ;)

We desperately need to use scientific experts to weigh the potential benefits and drawbacks of actions we take in this world.  it is crucial that people learn to apply their critical thinking skills to examining sources of information.  It really isn't all that hard.  You need to follow the money, number one, and it isn't that hard these days to research groups on the internet to determine whether politics is playing into their data.  My company, for example, is a consulting firm that works with large utilities, but we don't sign contracts where data (i.e., data that doesn't back up a specific action) will be kept confidential by the company because it will compromise the science involved.

Joe Sixpack does not have the knowledge to weigh these decisions and all their potential environmental and economic implications on his own.  He does not have the objectivity to weigh the potential effects on society or the environment as a whole over the long term.  If we keep making decisions based on short-term political gain and corporate greed, we ensure our own sad fate.

by desertpear on 08/02/2008 02:38:20 PM EST

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Great post.  100% correct.  I would throw in something about replicable results so it can't just be the work of one evil entity but you are missing the point.

Everyone else here (and most people in the world) get this.  Bobo has all this information.  He just chooses to reject it.  Explaining it to him again is a waste of time.

Exposing him to reality isn't going to wake him up, it is just going to send him farther back into his cave.

Personally, I think the best approach is to humor him to his face and analyze him behind his back.

That are only "talk" to him when he seems sober.

by ProfRich on 08/02/2008 05:08:04 PM EST

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