Nobody in Russia tries to bring back Soviet Union. South Ossetia crysis is a remnant of Stalin's policy. He had both Georgian and Ossetian forefathers and he wanted those nations to live in the same republic (and to squabble). That's all, basically. Nowdays South Ossetia clearly belongs with the much larger (and richer) North Ossetia in Russia. They are the same nation. And south ossetians don't want to be in Georgia. They want to be with their northern brothers in Russia. It's plain and simple.

I'm from Russia, I know this stuff.

by Hexer78 on 08/19/2008 05:45:48 AM EST

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Which alliances? Trade? Trade away! Ukraine can sell and buy anything. Military alliances? American bases near Russian border? American rocket bases near Russian border? That shit we don't want. Remember Cuban crysis? You never wanted Russian rockets on Cuba - we don't want American rockers in Ukraine.

Then again, we have naval base in Ukraine and we love it. Sevastopol is basically Russian (ethnically, culturally and historically). We don't want to lose that base. We fought for it in several bloody wars. It's like America losing Perl Harbor. Also, we have all kinds of military manufacturing cooperation with Ukraine. Soviet economy was very complicated and stretched across the country. It will very hard to compensate all those losses. And NATO will force Ukraine to buy American weapons and to shut the local production. Who will pay for that?

 And we don't want to target American bases in Ukraine. We don't want to target anything in Ukraine. We spent centuries fighting for those territories with Poles, Germans, Turks. We assembled present Ukraine like puzzle from blood soaked pieces.

by Hexer78 on 08/19/2008 07:14:39 AM EST

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I hope you're playing dumb, seriously would be really bad if you actually were that dumb

if not dumb, HYPOCRITE

like the US would allow alliances in it's neighbourhood with Russia, China or Iran

we see what happened with Cuba
... come on bring your rethuglican arguments why the Cuba blockade has other reasons
if so, why is the rest of world trading and investing in Cuba, should you see Canada and all the rest as halping the enemy?

by callisto on 08/19/2008 08:03:45 AM EST

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Anyway, Russia is for free trade in Ukraine, Georgia etc. Sell your soul - we don't care. Democracy? Democracy away. Build the best democracy ever. Just no American rockets near Russian border. And do not kill Russian citizens in South Ossetia. We love them.

by Hexer78 on 08/19/2008 08:16:07 AM EST

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I live in Prague and I don't want that missile shield, btw 70% of Polish and Czech citizens are against it

I even said: if you (Czechs) get hit in a first strike, it's your own fucking fault

look no love for Putin from me, I think he's a treator to Russia (for the shit he pulled in the 90s in St. Petersburg), but fair is fair, Bush is trying to pick fights with Russia

by callisto on 08/19/2008 08:44:13 AM EST

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Putin in Peter? That's old and obscure. And why treason? They were just selling stuff, AFAIK.

by Hexer78 on 08/19/2008 08:51:31 AM EST

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selling oil and other commodies for 1/8 to 1/200 of world market prices

lining the pockets of his Russian maffia friends

basically help create the oligarchs

...

he sold out the people of St Petersburg and they suffered during that winter

same with Bush, not treason, but it tells you everything you need to know about Bush: the football team, where he had the stadium built with public money and then reaped all the benefits from himself, he got rich by stealing from the people

by callisto on 08/19/2008 09:02:23 AM EST

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Well, yes. But Russia in 1991 was lawless, and everyone survived in one's own ways. I don't count those things as something outrageous. Bush is different. Stadium scandal was in lawful society with well-known rules of the game.

by Hexer78 on 08/19/2008 09:14:26 AM EST

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this was about large scale corruption on the back of people starving

survival is about stealing food, not plundering the treasury :)

read a book about it 10 years ago and it made me sick, Putin was nothing but a crook in the 90s

btw Russia had laws at that time and it seems American laws only apply when you're not super rich, if you're rich enough you can get away with anything

by callisto on 08/19/2008 07:54:11 PM EST

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Lets not drag football into this.

I am going to that stadium Friday, actually. 

by ProfRich on 08/19/2008 10:34:01 AM EST

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Why, in the last half of hte 20th century, would we not let Cuba, Argentina, Venezuela, Nicaruagua or El Salvador cozy up to Russia?

Not to mention Korea, Afghanistan and Vietnam. 

Guess we felt it worked against our national self-interest.

Did it make us evil?

Should Russia have obliterated us? 

by ProfRich on 08/19/2008 10:23:43 AM EST

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