Georgia: A Massive Foreign Policy Meltdown | 47 comments (47 topical, 0 hidden)
Love, not War (none / 0)
Anyway, Russia is for free trade in Ukraine, Georgia etc. Sell your soul - we don't care. Democracy? Democracy away. Build the best democracy ever. Just no American rockets near Russian border. And do not kill Russian citizens in South Ossetia. We love them.

by Hexer78 on 08/19/2008 08:16:07 AM EST

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Rockets (none / 0)
I live in Prague and I don't want that missile shield, btw 70% of Polish and Czech citizens are against it

I even said: if you (Czechs) get hit in a first strike, it's your own fucking fault

look no love for Putin from me, I think he's a treator to Russia (for the shit he pulled in the 90s in St. Petersburg), but fair is fair, Bush is trying to pick fights with Russia

by callisto on 08/19/2008 08:44:13 AM EST

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Obscure (none / 0)
Putin in Peter? That's old and obscure. And why treason? They were just selling stuff, AFAIK.

by Hexer78 on 08/19/2008 08:51:31 AM EST

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that's one way of looking at it (none / 0)
selling oil and other commodies for 1/8 to 1/200 of world market prices

lining the pockets of his Russian maffia friends

basically help create the oligarchs

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he sold out the people of St Petersburg and they suffered during that winter

same with Bush, not treason, but it tells you everything you need to know about Bush: the football team, where he had the stadium built with public money and then reaped all the benefits from himself, he got rich by stealing from the people

by callisto on 08/19/2008 09:02:23 AM EST

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In a way... (none / 0)
Well, yes. But Russia in 1991 was lawless, and everyone survived in one's own ways. I don't count those things as something outrageous. Bush is different. Stadium scandal was in lawful society with well-known rules of the game.

by Hexer78 on 08/19/2008 09:14:26 AM EST

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This was not about survival (none / 0)
this was about large scale corruption on the back of people starving

survival is about stealing food, not plundering the treasury :)

read a book about it 10 years ago and it made me sick, Putin was nothing but a crook in the 90s

btw Russia had laws at that time and it seems American laws only apply when you're not super rich, if you're rich enough you can get away with anything

by callisto on 08/19/2008 07:54:11 PM EST

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It was a baseball stadium (none / 0)

Lets not drag football into this.

I am going to that stadium Friday, actually. 

by ProfRich on 08/19/2008 10:34:01 AM EST

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Georgia: A Massive Foreign Policy Meltdown | 47 comments (47 topical, 0 hidden)