this is were every intelligent American turns around in shame saying "he's not with us" :)

by callisto on 08/24/2008 06:39:39 PM EST

Mikhail Gorbachev's ass, you know the guy who shared the Nobel Peace Prize, thank god and allah for Mikhael, if Russia had a leader like Putin at the time, Reagan would have started WWIII, Putin would not have taken Reagan's statements before the Iceland meet-up

Prague 6, haha, that's farmer country in my book, way outside the city center, the district mayor is a conservative named Tomas Chalupa, of course..... that he would love Reagan

French Revolution anyone? btw without the Russians, the Allieds would never have defeated Hitler that soon, if ever
and yes the USA has been the only source for freedom in the world... jeez give me a break, how can anyone take you seriously with statements like that???

but yeah, I'm sure South-Americans will agree

you're going off the rails more and more man, get a grip or just stop listening to FOX

by callisto on 08/24/2008 07:09:22 PM EST

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Where did freedom exist prior to the Declaration of Independence?

Holy shit, are you serious?

by OneHitKill on 08/24/2008 11:15:34 PM EST

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I'm not a pheasant, YOU ARE.

by OneHitKill on 08/24/2008 11:31:51 PM EST

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the spreading question with a timeline question, very smart there bub, but won't work

BTW you do remember having slavery at that time, right? blacks didn't think America was so free

also I think the English, for one, felt very free

you sir are a joke, is there anything else in your head than propaganda?



by callisto on 08/25/2008 05:14:32 AM EST

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again switching the conversation, that is NOT an answer to what I said

again if Russia had a "stronger", should say "tougher" leader at that time, Reagan probably would have ignited WWIII

by callisto on 08/25/2008 05:17:41 AM EST

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Gorbachev won the Nobel Peace Prize all by hisself.

Who did you think he shared it with?

Reagan?  That is fucking hilarious.

by ProfRich on 08/26/2008 12:54:39 AM EST

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let me buy you a bottle of champagne for this one alone

actually yeah, I was under that misimpression

I probably mixed up both of them being nominated with them sharing it when I was much younger

man, I'm so happy to hear this, because it always annoyed the hell out of me that they would give that cowboy the prize

thanks you, thank you Rich

by callisto on 08/26/2008 05:26:09 AM EST

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Just trying to correct the historical record.

The Republicans have done an incredible job creating the fiction that Reagan was well-liked and respected.

He wasn't.

The Nobel Committee wouldn't have given him the time of day.

by ProfRich on 08/27/2008 11:45:29 AM EST

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was one of my best friends, he too btw was pleasantly surprised by his mistake

by callisto on 08/26/2008 08:18:08 AM EST

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Ancient Greece

Contemporary England

The Netherlands

The Roman Republic

The lands conquered by Alexander the Great

Much of the empire of Darius the Great

Literally thousands of pastoral societies

Many Native American communities

Do you need more?

Are you really so brainwashed you think America invented freedom?

Its shit like this that makes us all wonder if you are a moron.

by ProfRich on 08/26/2008 12:57:28 AM EST

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Continuing our college discussion. You did not take to many history electives I'm guessing?

C'mon, those were the easy ones. Lot easier then poetry anyway.

by z1p101 on 08/26/2008 01:49:18 AM EST

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yes, there was individual freedom, for instance in the England that you made yourself independent from, also the Romand Republic, ...

BTW how free where the slaves or are you not considering the blacks to be human

will this be the second time you dodge the question?

by callisto on 08/26/2008 05:17:55 AM EST

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Compare the Bill of Rights to the English Bill of Rights.

Monarchies and autocracies I listed?

Athens?

The Roman Republic (the model for our government)?

Many pastoral societies and Native American Communities?

The Netherlands?

Also, having democracy doesn't necessarily guarantee freedom.  Iraq was a "democracy".  ; So was the Confederacy.  And South Africa.

Just like a monarchy can have an enormous amount of personal freedom, like England at the time, or Darius' Empire, or Alexander's.

Finally, it has to be pointed out that you are trying to hide behind democracy when you and you're party don't even believe in democracy!

Praying for low voter turnout, giggling that people will support your candidates because they believe the lies you spread and, more or less, openly advocating cheating are highly anti-democratic.

At the heart of why Dems approach elections the way they do and republicans approach them the way they do is a core understanding of what democracy is for.

Dems believe Democracy's purpose is to ensure the government reflects the will of the majority of the people.

Republicans believe Democracy's purpose is to paint a thin veneer of credibility over an aristocratic autocracy operated to benefit a wealthy few.

Democrats believe in Democracy as a moral imperative.

Republicans see it as Peasant Rebellion Prevention.

 

by ProfRich on 08/27/2008 04:53:06 PM EST

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I sometimes find it hard to believe that people like Kenny could be so ignorant, but then I accept and find it very scary

by callisto on 08/28/2008 08:49:45 AM EST

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Go back to the beginning of the thread and read the whole thing.

If it still seems like I failed to address your point, research the places I listed during the appropriate time periods.

Until then, stick to posting about energy technology and the most up to date Gallup polls.

by ProfRich on 08/28/2008 05:11:16 PM EST

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time for you to ignore it for the 3rd time:

WHAT ABOUT THE SLAVES

you talk about personal freedom, sure as long as you're lilly white

or does this reveal how you really think about blacks?

in Nazi Germany, the Nazi elites had a lot of personal freedom, not so much if you were Jewish

by callisto on 08/28/2008 06:49:37 PM EST

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"on the concept of individual freedom. We created the idea and exported it to the world"

are you totally ignorant??????????????????? ?? funny how many of the Founding Fathers got many of their ideas from the French Enlightenment

"In places like Poland and the Czech Republic, they have statues and memorials to Ronald Reagan"

there were plans, as far as I can see, there is no statue at this moment in Prague

"Most of the rest of the world understands that America represents freedom, but Democrats think America represents a free lunch"

most of the world understands that America NOWADAYS stands for torture, war mongering and police state practices when you enter the country

thank god for Hollywood and the rest of the entertainment industry, because without them nothing would be coming out of the US that people love

by callisto on 08/28/2008 06:58:06 PM EST

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