Oh yeah for sure women can wear whatever they want.  Who is trying to control what women wear?  Not me.  And to jump from chest-gazing to rape and burkas in a few sentences- isn't that a bit hysterical?

All the guys on the site are saying, I think, is that if women dress revealingly,  that's an invitation to look.  Guys do it too- do you think we wear muscle shirts because they're comfortable?  They're not.

Revealing clothing is not an invitation to leer, stalk, or make inappropriate comments, but it's definitely meant to be appreciated.  I mean, what else is it for, ventilation?  Staring at yourself in shop windows, because you dress for yourself and none other?  Please.


by ChangwaSteve on 01/25/2009 09:14:07 AM EST

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It depends on if I'm interested.  But every woman on the planet has a cleavage, and if I spend all day looking at one, I'll miss all the others.

My message to women is this: If you don't want people to look, don't show it.  If you do show it and someone looks but you don't like it, on what basis could you complain?  That you're a hypocrite?  Sure, someone may be a jerk about it and stare, but that just means there are two jerks in the room.  This argument is ridiculous.

 

 

 

by EveningStarNM on 01/25/2009 03:40:56 PM EST

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I know sexual comments are a far cry from rape itself.  The point was not to connect those two.  Far from it, the point was the deflection of blame.  And I am not surprised that this was missed.  Most men obviously have trouble understanding the inner-workings of the female mind.  Rather unfortunate that nearly all the males here fall under that category.

The idea is that, somehow, it's the woman's fault for the man's actions.  So go ahead and read this quote with this new perspective in mind:

"She shouldn't wear revealing dresses if she doesn't want rude comments by men."

You can substitute "wear revealing dresses" and "rude comments" with anything you want.  Try "get a job" and "to be sexually harassed".  Keep the deflection of blame idea in mind as you do this.  Maybe you'll begin to understand the absurdity of it.

Just because a woman wants to look nice (honestly, who doesn't like to look good?), it does not imply the woman wants men to make rude comments about them.  Nor does it mean they want to have sex with every man they see.

Again: it is not the woman's fault.  It is the man's fault for opening his mouth and spewing forth the stupidity.  Have some self control for goodness sake.  Take some blame for once.  You can look a couple of times, that's fine.  That's expected.  Nowhere in any of these comments do I, nor Ana, condemn the simple act of looking.  Go ahead and reread if you need to.  Once again, it's up to you to man up, get some balls, tuck your tongue back into your mouth, and shut your mouth about it.  That's what a real man does.  Control yourselves.

In this day and age, in the countries we live in (Canada in my case), there's no excuse for these attitudes that still blanket our societies.  And it isn't me that needs to settle down.  It's all you guys freaking out about seeing a bit of cleavage, and then going off about how she had it coming.

In Ana's words: "It's pretty pathetic."

by invert on 01/25/2009 04:34:33 PM EST

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