In your ultimate paragraph, you said, "While sexuality certainly is a pleasant topic for discussion,  I hope that the staff at TYT learns that their distinguishably sexist comments not only are not "progressive" but serve to weaken the efforts of true progressives to create a more just society." I inferred from this statement that those who make sexist comments are not true progressives. Who judges what is and is not sexist? I also wanted to know if other things disqualify you. I like guns; does this make me a false progressive?

In your penultimate paragraph you summarize my failings. I'm not an objective judge, so let's move on.

(3)Friction is inevitable because men and women are different in today's world, and it takes significant effort to understand that which is different from you. The difference is there now, so the friction is inevitable.

(2)True, but I figured out lots of things rather easily. Those were things that were consistent, so I simply had to learn the rules and follow them. People, however, are all different, so there are no rules to learn. Therefore, I can reach a natural understanding of math, basketball, or fish, yet am often confused by women.

(1)This is the issue at its core. If the world as a whole today was fair and just, then everyone would be raised with empathy for the opposite sex, and this would be a non-issue. However, we are nowhere near there yet; society itself imprints the prejudices, though one can obviously transcend them.

None of this is the point. There is nothing wrong with making jokes about women, possible even sexist jokes. That is not sexism; that is naughty humor. Sexism is serious. It's half the women in South Africa being raped within their lifetime; it's male college graduates climbing ladders while the girls type and take dictation; it's my mom working a shitty job for ten years while a man would have been made management long ago.

P.S. This reads for more harshly than it sounds when I speak it; I'm not trying to be an anonymous internet asshole.

by YuryTheEnglishTutor on 01/27/2009 03:25:12 AM EST

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What "disqualifies" me?  Trying to squeeze a contextual meaning out of that sentence is enough to make me want to ignore you.  But asking "who judges what is and is not sexist" is much worse than silly.  It makes me wonder if you know what sexism is. Sexism is "behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex" (see Merriam-Webster).  That's actually a pretty objectively measurable criterion for anyone who has any sense at all.

Clearly, I have no idea what kinds of relationships you've had with women, but I experience no "friction" (which you force me to define for myself) in 95% of my relationships with women, which is the same as the amount of "friction" that I experience in my relationships with men.  Perhaps your problems are due to some personality conflicts with women that you are unable to resolve.  I am inclined to place the responsibility for such "friction" on you, individually, than on the fact of the existence of two sexes.  To do otherwise would be to say that you are not responsible for your behavior.

That is simple logic, and unassailable.  (Therefore, it's a sure bet that you'll try to waste more of my time by trying.)

I'm sorry, but I just can't give you any more of my time.  You ended by saying that a sexist joke isn't sexist.  You are thereby disqualified from being taken seriously.  And just so you don't wonder if I'm trying to be an anonymous internet asshole by being harsh in my criticism of your terribly weak and self-contradictory position, my name is David Dickinson, and I stand by my comments.

by EveningStarNM on 01/30/2009 09:05:34 PM EST

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So because you have rarely had problems with the opposite sex, it must therefore be true that no such problems exist?

You are the exception, not the rule. Most people have trouble with the opposite sex. It's because boys and girls are different. Again, they are often different because society raises them to be different, but they are different nonetheless.

My original point has not changed. You said Cenk was hurting real progressives with his sexist humor. I disagree, because I don't think sexism is humor. Rather, I think sexism is a behind-closed-doors thing.

by YuryTheEnglishTutor on 02/03/2009 03:55:39 PM EST

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