Do Women LIKE to Be Lied To? | 94 comments (94 topical, 0 hidden)
AHHHHHHH! (none / 0)

GAH!  No it's not the same is what we're trying to tell you!

"I never said I treat women this way or that it is right to do so, just that it happens, and it will continue to happen as long as some women choose to wear less fabric than my left sock."

The above quote really bothers me.  My angry filter reads it like this: "Hey, guys can go and heckle women in revealing clothing all they want.  It happens and will keep happening if women keep wearing revealing clothing.  I don't do it, so who cares?  Lets not do anything about it."  You've proved my point of the deflection of blame again.  And it's the mentality that many oppressive nations in the world have.  As somebody mentioned, it's the kind of thing Iran does.  Is the fact they keep their women oppressed fine to you?  Because that's how their men happen to function in that particular country.  If women don't wear long sleeved shirts and pants that go down to their ankles, they'll instantly get called out on it.  And who knows what will happen to them at that point.  You condone this?  From everything I've read by you, the answer appears to be yes.  Don't say otherwise because I am following your logic now, and you continuously peg the blame on the woman.  You'd shrug and tell me she should've worn something different if she didn't want to be treated that way.

Mission accomplished: women slapped back into their place.

I'm done though.  I really don't know how to rephrase what I said a third or fourth or fifth time.  Cheers to sbandb for trying to put it in a different way.

by invert on 01/27/2009 06:37:45 PM EST

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Invert (none / 0)
The whole reason I started posting on this thread was to say that a lot of women are just as dirty as a lot of men are.

Just because I understand why something happens, does NOT mean I condone a GOD DAMN thing.

 I will tell you all day a woman who dresses like that for attention is going to get ATTENTION whether it is positive or negative. Women understand that some guys are going to act like that when they wear shit like that.

Should guys act like that? NO

BUT it happens.

 Quit trying to take my words and spin them, I've stated myself pretty fucking clear by now.

 

What the fuck do you want me to say? OK ALL YOU GUYS OUT THERE, MAKE SURE YOU DON'T SAY ANYTHING TO A WOMAN THAT CAN BE TAKEN THE WRONG WAY..... ESPECIALLY IF SHE'S DRESSED LIKE A SLUT!

Please continue on your little tirade sir, I really enjoy you making me out to be whatever you want me to be. I'm sad that you do not understand what "I do not agree with it" means.

If I were wearing a fucking borat g string to a club, do you think SOME women wouldn't say anything degrading to me?

Guess what? SOME Women drug guys and sleep with them, I know firsthand...

Women do the same shit Men do.

Go make a petition.

by diglass on 01/27/2009 11:46:44 PM EST

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A good first step! (none / 0)

Now you're saying you kind of agree with me.  I'm glad!  You see that it's wrong for men to put women down for the clothing they wear.  Good.  But we remain in disagreement about other things.

Do I expect you to go out there and protest about this issue?  No.  What I do expect is for you not to do what you did in this thread: defend the men who are in the wrong by tossing the blame on the women.  And yes, you did defend them.  You have spent vast amounts of time and energy to attempt to explain and adamantly defend your position.

Oh, if a woman is dressed in a way that makes men crawl out of the woodwork to heckle her, I say more power to that woman.  She's willing to take the heat and push the bounds no matter the cost.  Maybe one day all the women in Iran will tear off their long sleeves and long pant legs, and say screw you to the laws that the men there instituted.  Or maybe men will grow up and learn to stop being douchebags.  One can only hope.

"The whole reason I started posting on this thread was to say that a lot of women are just as dirty as a lot of men are."

"If I were wearing a fucking borat g string to a club, do you think SOME women wouldn't say anything degrading to me?

Guess what? SOME Women drug guys and sleep with them, I know firsthand...

Women do the same shit Men do."

The above quotes make me shake my head.  You still pin the blame on the woman, and now you attempt to twist the situation around the other way.  "Look!" you say, "Women do it too!"  As if that somehow vindicates your views.

The playing field isn't level between men and women.  You have to realize this.  You have to realize that women are still considered inferior to men in this world.  Let me know the moment when women become the superior and dominant sex in the world.  Let me know when men encounter the glass ceiling in their careers.  Let me know when men receive lower wages in comparison to women.  Let me know when men have to seriously worry about showing too much skin.  Let me know when there are more female managers than male managers.  Let me know when men are sexually harassed more than women.  Let me know when men are forced, by law, to cover themselves from head to toe.  I could go on and on.  If the above were true, maybe then you'd have a point.

Does this mean I'm fine with women doing the same stuff as men?  Of course not.  If the situation were reversed, I'd be ranting about this in reverse.  But it's not.  And it's absolutely silly for you to try to twist it around.  "They do it, so I can do it too!"  Ridiculous.

You don't agree with it, you say.  Yet you stay and continue to defend it.

By the way, I volunteer at a local women's shelter.  I'm already doing my part by seeing firsthand what happens when men with messed up realities take out their aggression on women.  It was her fault for making him angry, right?  *Sigh.*  This is probably why I get so worked up about this issue.

by invert on 01/28/2009 01:18:53 AM EST

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Almost done (none / 0)

Prevention of socially unacceptable behavior, be it rape or warfare or rude sexual comments, demands a proper understanding of the circumstances that trigger such behavior. If the objective conclusion is that under certain circumstances all men will make sexual comments to a woman because of the way she is dressed or all men will rape, or all countries will go to war, there is no value in wishing or pretending that men or nations are somehow different. The value lies instead in identifying the circumstances that facilitate verbal or physical rape or war. Only then can some attempt be made to ensure that those circumstances occur less frequently, and hopefully not at all.

The only reliable pathway to understanding the situation is via objective analysis, even if en route some conclusions may be unpleasant, unpalatable, or socially incorrect by your standards.

Therefore, you must first try to put yourself in another's shoes and not just look at this issue, or ANY issue you care about from only your paradigm. That is the only way you can really solve a problem.

by diglass on 01/28/2009 07:18:09 PM EST

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Fun. (none / 0)

You're a hypocrite.

Sorry, but it's the truth.

Read my recent post to marcusau2's thread as to why I'm being so blunt about it.  I'll give you a short summary here.  You're telling me to put myself in another's shoes.  I have.  I've put myself in the women's reality and looked at the truths surrounding why the behaviour of men is inexcusable.

You haven't.  You continue to sink into your male frame of thought, refusing to look at it in a different light.  You continue to say it's her fault for men's actions.  Thanks, you proved me right time and time again with every post you've written here, as I've pointed out repeatedly.

And do you really believe that I don't know the male condition?  That I don't know the way men think?  Of course I do!  I've got a penis too (and no, you may not touch it)!  That's my reality.  I simply choose not to be a horny pathetic excuse of a man from the herd of horny pathetic excuses of men.

I know why men are so rude to women.  Because most of them are stupid and have a superiority complex.  Because they blame the woman for anything the man does.  Because they lack self control.  Because they refuse to or have an inability to empathize with women.

Every point which I have explained in depth in previous posts.  If it doesn't compute for you, I really have no idea what I could say at this point. All I know is that it isn't me that needs to step out of their comfort zone and see what else is out there.  Oh yeah, by the way, nice job flying off on a tangent about how to solve problems in the world--which doesn't address anything I said in the post you replied to.

Dang it, I guess this wasn't as short as I thought it would be.

by invert on 01/28/2009 09:25:19 PM EST

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Anyway... (none / 0)
I'm done, so bye.  Respect to your point of view, even though I strongly disagree with it.

by invert on 01/29/2009 01:19:45 AM EST

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