Let's cut to the chase.  Does anybody really seriously believe that Ben Lyons would be on this show if his dad, Jeffrey, wasn't a high profile critic with a lot of name recognition?  And his other biggest asset is that he sounds and looks like a boy bander moonlighting on "Dancing with the Stars." The producers of the show have obviously cast him as a foil to Ben, who comes across as more cultured. If that is all that is required of Lyons (to be a dweeby counterpoint to Ben that the kid demo can ID with) then he succeeds.

But I ask more from a critic, even if I don't happen to agree with them very often. I don't care how old they are.  I ask, "Are they intelligent and perceptive when they review a movie and are they effective, entertaining communicators? Do they occasionally give me an "ah ha?"

Cenk is setting up a false dichotomy here: egghead intellectual critics who talk about Bergman versus "joe the lunch pail critics" who speak to the tastes of the masses.  Some of my favorite critics (Pauline Kael, Janet Maslin, Ebert, Stephen Holden) have been my favorites because they have been perceptive on the level of "fine arts cinema" and are still very able able to recognize and recommend a good mass market potboiler if it works on it's own terms as an entertainment.

For me, Lyons comes across as an enthusiastic amateur who is not particularly insightful or entertaining, and who senses and resents the fact that a lot of people don't take him seriously, despite the fact he is on TV.  It's not that Lyons never says anything intelligent or that I never agree with his conclusions, it's that there are probably at least 1000 other critics who could do the job better that he does. He's been sent by central casting to play a role. He's not a top notch critic.  If the want a foil for Ben, they could do a lot better.

by Chowfun on 01/07/2009 11:42:16 AM EST

Though you have to admit the guy who obliterated Cenk's post (like your comment) in his NY Mag article was way out of line bringing Cenk's wife into the mix.  Technical foul = strike back!

by rev24 on 01/07/2009 01:22:31 PM EST

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Could the gang at TYT stop claiming that Cenk was dissed by "The New York Times?" It was (as you note) "New York Magazine."  Not same thing at all -- I hope the error is unintentional.

And shame on Cenk for dragging his wife into his defense of the ridiculous.  He reads reviews to figure out if his wife will sit through a movie? Does he let her read the paper?  Does he allow her to wear shoes?

by Chowfun on 01/07/2009 03:59:06 PM EST

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Ana was the only one to mention the New York Times Magazine in referring to an email she received.  I think most likely she didn't have time to thoroughly check out the article before mentioning it since she received it during the show?  Also at the start of the Post Game, Cenk correctly identifies the magazine as the New York Magazine.

Interesting take on "the wife," but I'll take two steps away from that one.  

by rev24 on 01/07/2009 04:13:28 PM EST

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"The New York Times Magazine."  I wasted a fair amount of time looking for the article there. Ana's reference to "the New York Times" article is still on the TYT home page. (I wasted time looking for it in the Times after I got the email from her yesterday as well.) Ana is a sweetheart, but that is exactly the kind of thing she needs to get right for TYT's credibility.

And, I like to choose when and where I waste my time.

by Chowfun on 01/07/2009 04:31:33 PM EST

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