Ann Coulter Is Back | 32 comments (32 topical, 0 hidden)
what is treason (none / 0)
If you support policies that have destroyed our economy and decimated our military for the soul purposes of lining the pockets of multinational companies and billionaires what does that make you? A traitor I would say.  Therefore I would say that Ann, Sean and Rush are all traitors.  They have profited by spouting propaganda that has led to our current state of turmoil. You do know that Fox is owned by a pseudo foreign government who has conspired with other multinationals to fleece and undermine the foundation of our country.

Freedom of speech ends at the point where your speech causes panic and destruction. That is exactly what these pundits have done

by sisco66 on 01/07/2009 06:35:23 AM EST

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Free $$$$$ Speech (none / 0)
Actually, nothing is free anymore. 
When the media is controlled by the same corporations that control the government it is not speech, it is fascist propaganda. Coulters publisher’s, or the companies that own them, more than likely bought her way onto the air. Except for Fox of course, they like little boys down there, and Andy is the closest thing they can find without breaking the law. I guess the  jaw was fair game, not so ruff boys.

“Limitations to freedom of speech may follow the "harm principle" or the "offense principle", for example in the case of pornography or "hate speech". Limitations to freedom of speech may occur through legal sanction and/or social disapprobation.”
Apparently, you have not noticed that the right wing theater has already burned down, taking with it our economy, military and the souls of our children.




by sisco66 on 01/07/2009 05:48:15 PM EST

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He Hate Me (none / 0)
Ken spin

As usual, Kenny boy you are off in never, never land. The issue is not hate speech Ken.  You might as well argue about flag burning as far as I am concerned. The issue is whether or not we should have a corporate controlled media that is dependent on advertising dollars from the same people who have a financial choke hold on our elected officials, or even owned by the same entities. The idea of free speech was never intended to apply to corporations who’s bottom line is short term profits at any cost,and often foreign owned.   
The ability of these entities to spread and repeat unchecked and unquestioned propaganda in every newspaper and on every network has built the delusional world within which you live. I don’t necessarily want to silence anyone; I would, however, like to see the people who led the country into this economic meltdown take some responsibility for their actions.

http://www.myconfinedspace. com/2008/09/29/jump-you-fuc kers/

by sisco66 on 01/08/2009 10:18:41 PM EST

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typical silliness from ken (none / 0)
where you say "people could purchase a cable subscription to watch fox news". Really? C'mon man. And liberals are supposed to be against people purchasing Rush Limbaugh podcasts? Hey, we allowed you to buy a TYT membership. Give it a rest. Apart from that, your initial point has validity, that we didn't care much when the big three (NBC, ABC, CBS) were all there was on TV. However, they weren't exactly "telling people what to think". They had news divisions that asked hard questions of people in power, democrat and republican alike. Its not the same thing. As we say often around here, reality and facts have a well-known liberal bias.

by hazmat on 01/08/2009 11:26:21 PM EST

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"you liberals" (none / 0)

I do not wish to outlaw Fox News, or Rush Limbaugh. I have never heard anyone propose this, here, or anywhere else. But obviously you have.

"I hear the voices!" -George W. Bush.

by hazmat on 01/09/2009 10:51:39 PM EST

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This straw man is a fire hazard (none / 0)
This documentary is about fighting a source of information that is one of 200-300 cable or satellite channels you have an option of viewing.

There aren't 200-300 cable news channels competing with Fox. I'm sure more conservatives would turn to Nickelodeon for their current events fix if it weren't so gosh darn cerebral.

by OneHitKill on 01/10/2009 09:29:18 AM EST

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fighting fox news (none / 0)
Fox is full of disinformation. That's okay, its their right. I think "fight" in this context was meant to refer to the marketplace of ideas, as in fight the disinformation. First and foremost is the fight to label them as opinion media, which is utterly appropriate. Yes I have seen the film, and that is how I took it to mean. You come on here and "fight" against liberalism everyday. You have openly expressed the desire to see it squashed. And yet your right to express yourself in this forum has been actively defended by the regular participants on many occasions. Despite what you may think, it is not because you're a "paying customer". Clearly, you're making shit up in (as usual). Sorry Ken, you lose this one.

by hazmat on 01/10/2009 12:33:06 PM EST

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Robert Greenwald (none / 0)
came out with that film at a point that will be regarded in by History as a watershed in American conservative politics. Conservative voices dominated every corner of the airwaves and print media. The tip of the spear of the corporate controlled agenda was fox news. If by "obstruct" and "block" you mean offer an alternative viewpoint, then you are correct, because that was Robert Greenwalds aim. What fox news does of course is not to offer both points of view. They offer straw men in place of liberal opinion, and spin in place of facts. They are entitled to do that. And we are entitled to name them for what they are: Not A News Organisation. In fact, I propose that to be Fox's new call letters. NANO.

by hazmat on 01/10/2009 05:29:21 PM EST

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free speech (none / 0)

is the foundation of everything. Conservatives are against it. I welcome you to my "free speech zone". I really have no idea what you're talking about "red handed". If your referring to Dan Rather, the story he broke is 100% true, but, sad day for him, he took Karl Rove's bait and ended up with egg on his face. CBS effectively fired him (squeezed him out you might say) because they are concerned for their reputations, and importantly, deathly afraid of right wing backlash. Fox News? They cover unsubstantiated propaganda all the time. In fact its par for the course over there. The difference is that they're not losing any sleep over public perception of their low-to-non-existent journalism standards.

I'll say it again, nobody has asked to take them off the air. You sound like a real nutter. Hey, I won't cry if they fold because they lost 2 billion this year, but I fully expect someone else to replace them if they do go under. That's the beauty of the marketplace. It just sent fox a $2 bn messg.

Pwnd.

by hazmat on 01/10/2009 08:00:05 PM EST

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Newspeak (none / 0)
Kenbot,

I would say NBC is the number one offender, because they are owned by GE, a defense contractor. The mainstream media, fox not being main stream, has been more or less a Trojan horse, whereas most people now know that Fox is a comedy show. How many times did you here Chris Mathews tells us the economy was going great, just look at the market, despite the lack of consumer confidence and massive borrowing? These guys systematically helped hide the fact that we were quickly becoming a third world country. You know the type of country where the foreign corporations come in and exploit the resources and the people. The problem is that we are out of resources.
Let me put it to you this way. The entire media spectrum is so far to the right that anyone that attempts to tell merely the truth about anything is immediately vilified. How in the world did we impeach a President for more or less having an affair without a media circus for cover? How could we not impeach a President for the long list of clear crimes that have occurred over the last 8 years without media cover.
If the media had been performing due diligence, we would not be where we are today. We are so fucked right now, yet the very same pundits and legislators that led us to slaughter still have jobs and are still spewing the same propaganda that got us here. If people could wrap the heads around the whole truth, going postal would be an understatement. I am really surprised that we don’t have 100’s of people a day going of the deep end.
Dude you really need to take a look around you and see whether or not you want be part of the solution or continue to be part of the problem. We, meaning you and I, have been sold out by the very same people you want to protect.

by sisco66 on 01/09/2009 07:35:28 AM EST

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NY Times (none / 0)
Just another example of "news agency" that helped misslead us into a war.  I think Judith Miller should be in jail, along with Scooter and Rove. But the paper itself should be named in multi-billion dollar wrongful death lawsuit. That is what I mean by taking responsibilty.

If a media source comes out and promtes smoking while filling your gas tank and it kills a buch of people, then people need to go to jail. I also think we need the death penalty for white collar crimes and make it retroactive.

Forget right and left, look at the results on the ground and think about how you got there. Then start arresting people.

by sisco66 on 01/10/2009 11:42:42 AM EST

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Ann Coulter Is Back | 32 comments (32 topical, 0 hidden)