Okay, I love Obama and this gaffe doesn't change my mind about supporting him. However, he wasn't given enough cultural coaching on the Japan trip.

I lived in Japan, worked in Japan and speak Japanese. I also know the etiquette of bowing in Japan.  You can study it for months and not understand all the nuances of bowing, but any Japanese person looking at that picture is going to be embarrassed for Obama because he got it wrong.

When I first heard about the controversy, I thought, "oh, this is just another stupid Republican over-reaction (as usual)." However, when I saw the bow in the video I actually felt bad for Obama. The poor guy didn't get good advice on the etiquette.

It's all about the depth of the bow. Japanese measure rank by how deeply you bow. If you are meeting an equal you can both do a slight bow. Sometimes even a head nod is enough of a bow. The important thing is that equals both bow to the same depth.  

Now, if you're younger, or a woman, or somehow subservient to the other person you bow deeper than they do. So, the superior person will do a slight bow and the inferior person will do a deeper and lower bow.  In this case the Japanese Emperor is not even declining his head at all, and Obama is not paying any attention to that and doing this bow where he's completely bent in half.

This is the way a geisha girl would bow to her client. This is the way that the girls at the entry way of the Japanese Department stores bow to the customers entering the store saying "irashiamase!" This is the way that that the doorman of a hotel would bow to a CEO as he took his bags.  This bow sends the message to any Japanese person that 1) Obama knows nothing about Japanese culture 2) none of his aides took the time to tell him the basics of Japanese greetings and 3) that he just innocently tried to figure it out himself and do the right thing.  

Therefore, as an American I'm slightly embarrassed. Both for the ignorance of the President's cultural advisors and also that he does look pretty silly & submissive in the eyes of the Japanese.

Should the President have bowed at all? Yes! He just should have done a shallower one.  Dick Cheney is an ass if he thinks the President shouldn't have bowed at all.  When you're in Japan, it's totally appropriate to do their type of greeting which is bowing. Just like when the Japanese will also do a handshake when they're doing business with Americans. So, Dick Cheney is an ass to say "Americans should never bow" - that's just ethnocentric and wrongheaded. But of course we expect that from him.

That's my two cents. I'd be interested to hear a Japanese person's opinion on this issue since I'll admit I don't know much about the etiquette of bowing when in comes to the emperor.

by ilovecenk99 on 11/18/2009 12:59:50 AM EST

Okay, so I checked with a native Japanese person on this and I got "schooled" so I hereby recant my previous post.  Obama and his aides got the bow right.

Apparently, the Japanese believe that the emperor is a bit different than your "elected official" and therefore, even the Prime Minister of Japan would bow that deeply to the Emperor of Japan because the prime minister is "of the people". Since Pres Obama is also "of the people" he would do a deeper bow to the emperor and an equal-level bow to his counterpart in Japan, the Prime Minister.

When I asked this Nihonjin if Japanese people, looking at Obama's bow, would think that Pres Obama was being submissive or somehow giving up power, the guy told me that the people of Japan, upon witnessing his bow would think nothing of the sort. Rather, he said that a Japanese person would instantly think that Obama is a very polite and well-educated person. And since politeness goes with being "upper class" they would also consider Obama to be well-born and generally a good smart educated person. He then went on to quote an ancient Japanese proverb that says something like the deeper that the rice plant bows, the better is the fruit (the better quality of the rice grain on the stem) which basically means that the Japanese would think that Obama is a very good person by his bow.

Now, if the intention of diplomacy is to go to other countries and make the leaders and citizens of that country think you are a "good person", well educated, polite and considerate, then Obama had a successful trip. If however, we go along with the Dick Cheney school of diplomacy then I suppose the purpose would be to prove that you're willing to insult an entire nation and look like a rude, crude uneducated ARSE just to make the people back at Fox News happy.

I was wrong on this one and this is one time I'm happy to admit it!

by ilovecenk99 on 11/23/2009 07:09:19 PM EST

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