Just the meaning of them and the implications, and again I have to add that I'm just playing devil's advocate.

Being gay hurts these people in a way, because it prevents them from having kids of their own. That's something negative.

This means that when your argument against discriminating gays is that you can't do that because being gay is natural you just make homophobes switch their arguments.

Then they don't "discriminate against gays" they "only search for a cure". So these poor gays can have relationships that may result in kids of their own. Maybe electro-shocks could help. At least they could make people pretend not to be gay anymore.

The better argument against discrimination is that they hurt nobody and do nothing immoral.

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 11/21/2009 03:18:34 PM EST

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We know what the implications are. It is primarily biological factors that decide sexual orientation.

What prevents them from giving birth to kids is being male, not being gay. They can still raise kids via adoption...

Homophobes will never find a cure, because there is none. It's not psychological.

Even if they tried to manipulate biology, it will be decades before they'll be successful. It will take time for the older generations to die out.

The BEST argument is the truth, and that's what I'm telling.

by tlrdevere on 11/21/2009 05:02:26 PM EST

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"The BEST argument is the truth, and that's what I'm telling. "

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 11/21/2009 05:25:56 PM EST

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Something being the truth doesn't always mean that it has any implications on how we act or how we should act.

When we are talking about gay adoption it really doesn't matter whether it is a choice.

There is no reason to assume that being gay is in any way immoral, unless you believe that the planet is seriously underpopulated and it's everybodies responsibility to fuck so we can raise the population to the needed level.

"What prevents them from giving birth to kids is being male, not being gay. They can still raise kids via adoption..."

Wow, you really got me there, that devaluates the whole argument that they can't pass on their genetic information.

"Homophobes will never find a cure, because there is none. It's not psychological.

Even if they tried to manipulate biology, it will be decades before they'll be successful. It will take time for the older generations to die out."

That it's not psychological doesn't make it less likely that they can find a "cure". If anything the opposite. And it defenitly can't keep them from looking for "cures" and trying them. Adopting a child is not the same as being the biological father. Why shouldn't gay people be given the opportunity to father a kid in a natural way? When someone has low sperm count he doesn't get told it's no problem. You can adopt. No doctors are looking for a cure. Even though it is biological.

Therfore the fact that it is biologically determined is a bad argument, even though it is true. It still has nothing to do with the issue. Let's assume pedophelia is biological, does that make it correct?
To anyone reading the last sentence: I'm not saying being gay is like being a pedo. The reasons why you can't compare these two "preferences" are ethical, not biological.

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 11/21/2009 05:50:06 PM EST

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