Same sex marriage | 83 comments (83 topical, 0 hidden)
I refer you to my above post (none / 0)
Sexual orientation is not a choice.

Ignorance, however, often times is.

by tlrdevere on 11/21/2009 01:24:20 AM EST

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I do not disagree about raising a child or even great parents. I simply said that it would give the children and false sense of normal. I believe it would be up to the parents to make them realize that there are various types of people and most families have a mother and a father. As stated by another poster 2-3% are homosexual. Which means the child will have to realize that 97% of their friends will have a different type of family. They simply can't live in a bubble. That is all my point was. 

I honestly believe that if the parents don't push that issue then the child will know nothing different than two mothers or two fathers as a being normal and if not told the difference than it might come to them as a shock on the first day of school and everybody but them have a mother and father. Also I don't think orientation  ;matters of how good of a parent you will become, I think they would and could be amazing influence on a child, just at a cost of early development. They will not make their child homosexual just be living in the environment.

Side note: I don't see the point in insulting me and attacking me by saying I'm ignorant. The argument abou t being born or becoming homosexual is the same as the question of does god exist. My opinion is you prefer the same sex but do I think that when a person is six months old they think that way? Absolutely not, but to sit there and tell me I'm ignorant because my opinion differs from yours in itself ignorant.

by Thundrstorm on 11/21/2009 01:36:59 AM EST

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Facts are facts... (none / 0)
The same thing that proves gravity is the same thing that proves people don't "choose" to be gay: the scientific method. And I doubt you're jumping off any tall buildings to see if you'll just float away and not plummet to your death.

If you don't like it, that's too bad, but the fact is, it IS ignorance that lets a person view demonstrable evidence for one thing, then completely disregard that evidence and believe something else without any evidence at all. That is ignorance in its purest form.

Yes, you can have your opinion. That's fine, but if your opinion is that people choose to be gay, you're just wrong.

You could have the opinion that gravity doesn't exist and it's only a coincidence that so far everything that's gone up has come down. But you don't have that opinion because if you did, acting on it would result in negative effects directly to you. Having an ignorant opinion about gays doesn't affect you at all though, so the selfish human mind feels free to harbor that ignorant opinion.

Also, children do not have all the hang-ups that adults have. They're not afraid of things that are different, and they're not afraid to understand those things either.

Children are in learning mode. Every single day is an adventure for them. Learning that other children have opposite- or same-sex parents is just another day in that adventure.

by tlrdevere on 11/21/2009 02:36:03 AM EST

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Really? (none / 0)

Might I ask for this evidence thats proven that we are born gay. Let me ask this question. How does a person go their entire life dating the opposite sex say starting at 14 than around 28 they get drunk one day and kiss the same sex and find they like it and decided they want to pursue this option. Would you than state they were gay from birth and they just didn't realize it?

But I ask again please refer me to the information that they have proven at birth your child will be gay.

by Thundrstorm on 11/21/2009 10:48:33 AM EST

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I didn't choose to be straight (none / 0)
Prison sex is more like masturbation with another person, if you ask the participants I'm sure the otherwise straight ones will tell you they were thinking about women while doing the deed, so the attraction wasn't to the person of the same sex. I have a relative who did some hard time and that's the way he explained it to me, and he would know.

I will continue to maintain that

"If you have to choose to be straight, YOUR GAY"!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 11/21/2009 11:27:37 AM EST

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Well (none / 0)

About that quote choosing to be straight makes you gay. So choosing to be gay makes you straight? Using your logic.

I think everyone is confusing what I'm saying. I am not against gays or gay marriage or rights. I really don't care. The question was an opinion question about children.

Maybe because I'm not gay I can't understand but I personally don't see how people can sit there and state people are born gay or straight. I have never been presented evidence to state on contrary nor have I found any. I'm not saying you can't convince me but all I'm asking is for a little bit of proof.

So heres a question how do you explain bi-sexual people? Are they confused about their "born" desires or attractions?

by Thundrstorm on 11/21/2009 11:54:40 AM EST

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My 2 cents (none / 0)
Nobody is only gay or straight. People are always somewhere in the middle. Everybody is attracted to people of the same and opposite sex. That doesn't always manifest in a sexual way, but gender identity is a very complex thing. Even the borders between male and female can be very hard to realise. Even when you take that sexual identity/transgender problem out of the equation. I forgot most details about that "female" runner who won some international meetings. The important part was that scientists are not able to decide whether she is really a woman or a hermaphrodite with female domination or a man with some mis(s)developments.

People are mostly not attracted to genders, but to persons. Or is it just the vagina that makes you chase women.

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 11/21/2009 12:45:02 PM EST

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Prison sex (none / 0)
You have a great point

Prison sex doesnt mean the guy chose to be gay..it means they chose to have sex with another guy because that was the only option.

Im sure if they could have sex with women  they would prefer it since they are straight.

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 11/28/2009 10:58:48 AM EST

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YES! (none / 0)
You may have that evidence. READ MY FIRST POST. It's all in there, and there's a ton of it. Follow the links.

by tlrdevere on 11/21/2009 02:48:45 PM EST

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Okay (none / 0)
I'll yield about the information I missed your first post. But if we take that information than homosexual gene is no different than color blindness. Seeing as in order for a species to sustain its existence heterosexual gene is require, wouldn't that make homosexual a genetic mutation? 

by Thundrstorm on 11/21/2009 08:08:26 PM EST

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