No legend.  No scale.  No source.  No data.  No context.  No general acceptance.

No character.

Get a few thousand scientists to change their minds and sign off on it and then come back.  Then it'll be worth debating.

Oh, and CO is "carbon MONoxide", a very well-known greenhouse gas.  You must have missed that class.

It seems that your charts are worthless and you were wrong in your initial statement about CO.  Therefore, everything you said after that was a waste of our time to read.

Please! I'm begging you!  Quit wasting our time!

by EveningStarNM on 11/25/2009 08:17:02 AM EST

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No legend.  No scale.  No source.  No data.  No context.  No general acceptance. No character.
I'm not sure what you mean... the graphs I provided have both legend, scale, scourse, data and context...
No general acceptance is true but as I stated... science is NOT a vote...

Oh, and CO is "carbon MONoxide"
Yes... and Carbon Oxide... both are valid names...

a very well-known greenhouse gas.  You must have missed that class.
Eeeeh no... CO is NOT a greenhouse gas... it does have indirect effects on greenhouse gasses such as amplifying the effect of Methane and when presented in the atmosphere it turns into CO2... but it's in so little concentrations (0.1 ppm compared to 380ppm for CO2) and it has to short a lifespan (8.4 hours) to really have an effect in the atmosphere... so the indirect effects it has on atmospheric greenhouse gasses are so miniscule that it isn't relevant...

It seems that your charts are worthless and you were wrong in your initial statement about CO.  Therefore, everything you said after that was a waste of our time to read.
Well my charts are not worthless and my initial statement about CO was not wrong...

Please! I'm begging you!  Quit wasting our time!
No stop wasting my time... you have allraedy been identifyed as a troll so no more need to post here...

My goal was not to debate with trolls but to identify them and that is done so no more discussion is needed (unless you want to bring something substancial to the table and stop your namecalling just because I don't agree with you)... :-D

Love Thothlike

PS. you don't seem to have a problem with my facts and logic concerning healthcare (at least you havn't mentioned them)... but plenty on my facts and logic concerning global warming... why is that I wonder... :-D

by Thothlike on 11/25/2009 08:50:38 AM EST

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Don't bother fighting with Star, he is a troll and he will cry and scream like a little bitch when he doesn't get his way, or when his lies are so easily exposed... He is on furlough again from the "special" room with padded walls... :)

by bobo1 on 11/25/2009 01:25:11 PM EST

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to a birther bobotaitz?  If I where you  I would give up the whole Obama born in Kenya thing. Orly keeps losing those court cases and getting fined for wasting the courts time.

Why arent you exposing his lies if they are so easily exposed there hoss?

Im having fun watching him put yet another flat earther in their place

Looks like you arent having so much fun ..

:)

oh btw do you just type random non sequiturs  or are you actually TRYING to make sense?

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 11/25/2009 01:37:30 PM EST

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Why arent you exposing his lies if they are so easily exposed there hoss?
Well Bobo might not be but I most certainly am...

Im having fun watching him put yet another flat earther in their place
Is that me you're refering to?
Why am I the flat-earther when I'm the one bringing all the facts to the table and Star is bringing none?

If you have something factual or scientific to say and not just personal attacks please say it...

And while you're at it... you think my logic and facts about healthcare are as flawed as you (without evidence so far) seem to think they are about global warming?
Just a thought...

Love Thothlike

by Thothlike on 11/25/2009 02:06:22 PM EST

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Everytime you write in this forum, you confirm the low opinion held of you by this community as being well-deserved.  If it wasn't that you seem to be begging for it, you would be a sad spectacle to watch.

by EveningStarNM on 11/25/2009 01:58:35 PM EST

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I enjoy watching nutballs like you get rocked out of their senses by someone who actually comes across as making sense...

You ARE a troll in every sense of the word here at TYT. You and Tiny are just as evil and nasty as I am when it boils right down to it. At least Im honest about my approach here...

You OTOH are simply "bat shit crazy" and dont even realize it...

Go take your meds and eat your hambugers...



:)

by bobo1 on 11/25/2009 02:07:47 PM EST

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I'm amazed that you think anyone cares what you think or what you say.

by EveningStarNM on 11/25/2009 05:45:30 PM EST

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I typed in TYT MSNBC into google, and this was one of the pictures that came up. I was initially looking that picture of you (the one of you holding a piece of paper that said TYT + New Mexico), but alas this was the next best thing... I just thought it was a cool pic... :)

by bobo1 on 11/25/2009 06:01:03 PM EST

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But maybe this is the picture of the New Mexican you were searching for?

NM4TYT

I wonder who that is.

But thanks for posting your picture, too, Bob.  It's nice to know what someone looks like when you're talking about them:


by EveningStarNM on 11/25/2009 06:51:16 PM EST

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Thanks - I'm glad you still have it! How much lithium do you take to get your eyes like that? Quite a bit, I imagine... :)

by bobo1 on 11/25/2009 06:59:01 PM EST

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I guess it got moved.  Anyway, I found another copy of it:

I really don't understand why you're not a professional model, bobo.  You're much better suited for that than for being in the classroom.

by EveningStarNM on 11/27/2009 01:32:38 AM EST

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Sharing personal photos isn't really advised on chat/forums Star - I'm sure tiny doesn't appreciate you "outing" him...

by bobo1 on 11/27/2009 07:35:41 AM EST

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I know you right-wing sixth-grader playground bullies like to make up names for one of our members, but he's a young oriental man.  The only ''teacher'' we have in Arizona is an older fat guy.  I don't think you can hide from this one, Bob.

by EveningStarNM on 11/27/2009 09:43:31 AM EST

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Well Hells Bells! I thought he was just trying to be clever with the whole "Chinese Democracy" name... That just makes my imagery of him that much funnier! Thanks! :)

by bobo1 on 11/27/2009 10:16:10 AM EST

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A truly amazing specimen:  a human being with no redeeming qualities whatsoever, a total inability to see yourself the way others do, and complete oblviousness to the humanity of others around you.

I'm sure that the Phoenix school system is proud to have such a bigot as you teaching their children.

by EveningStarNM on 11/27/2009 11:53:52 AM EST

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Coming from you, Star. Why are Liberals so angry all the time? You seriously need to lighten up...

by bobo1 on 11/27/2009 01:56:12 PM EST

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Are any of your students "gooks"?

by Spencer on 11/30/2009 06:30:19 PM EST

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Not too many gooks in my area - mostly spics, spooks and Mormons (the worst)

:)

by bobo1 on 11/30/2009 08:35:59 PM EST

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A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 12/01/2009 01:21:58 AM EST

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that poor man just doesnt have it...

BoboTaitz  in the classroom  it makes my skin crawl

he is such a coward  

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 12/01/2009 01:21:09 AM EST

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So you have a PHD  in psychology to huh?

why not

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 12/01/2009 01:23:05 AM EST

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agitated

You are a birther  

and you call other people nuts?

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 12/01/2009 01:16:25 AM EST

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No legend: Which line is which?  They're different colors.  It would be easy to tell IF THERE WAS A LEGEND!

No scale: What are those numbers on the left and right? Degrees kelvin and lumens?  The're labeled "Temp" and "Solar", but "Temp" and "Solar" what?  "Temperate winds" and "Solar Winds"?  Whatever it is, they say there's a one-to-one ratio between them.  It would be interesting to know if it's true.  "Temp" measured where?  Solar what measured how?

No source:  Okay, they came from the "uploads" folder of some web site.  And that means what?  Tom, Dick, or Harry uploaded it to them and put it in his reply to someone's message because he's trying to prove that the sun is responsible for global warming?

No data:  Oh!  I must have missed the data tables for them... let me look.  Surely, they must be around here somewhere...

No context:  Similarly, I must have missed the description from the author of the graph explaining what we're looking at.

No general acceptance: So this refutes what millions of scientists around the world are still saying?  Wow!  They must all be pretty dumb!

"...not a greenhouse gas...": http://www.ghgonline.org/ot herco.htm

And having you identify me as a "troll" in this forum is simply wonderful!  It's kind of like having my cake and eating it, too.  You're simply looking foolish.

But how old are you, anyway?  If you're just a kid, and I strongly suspect that you are, all is forgiven, and I apologize for the "no character" remark.  But you should strive to be much more accurate, or you leave yourself open to charges of dishonesty.

But I'm on the verge of making that charge explicit.  You're certainly providing enough evidence for it.

by EveningStarNM on 11/25/2009 01:50:43 PM EST

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No legend:
My bad... true it didn't say which line was which... the red line is sunspots and the blue line is temperature...

No scale:
They are Celsius and number of sunspots...

No scource:
They came from a study made by danish scientists Svensmark and Christensen...

No data:
True... no data tables... you'll have to get your data from the graphs...

And having you identify me as a "troll" in this forum is simply wonderful!  It's kind of like having my cake and eating it, too.  You're simply looking foolish.
Maybe... or maybe you are shoving your true colors... I have seen you complain over the right-wing trolls time and time again accusing them of namecalling not caring about the facts and not interested in a serious discussion based on logic... and then when the shoe is on the other foot you show yourself to be no different...

When the discussion have been about healthcare and Obama and... etc. I have even experienced you complementing me on my logic and common sense... where is that now?

But how old are you, anyway?
Hmmm read my profile... I'm 37 (might be a kid to you... I don't know)...

Love Thothlike

by Thothlike on 11/25/2009 02:24:31 PM EST

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...if you're intentionally lying or if you're simply tremendously ignorant, but this will be the last time I waste any time on you:

Your "bad"?  I would think that is obvious.

"Celsius and number of sunspots":  And juxtaposing various stretches of those scales is valid?  How?  Why?  You're asking me to take your word for it that there's an actual statistical corelation.  I don't.

"...a study..." made by who, where?  Let me explain: the world wide web, a network on the internet, has the capability to allow people to fetch information from all over the world using what are popularly known as "links".  However, even if such "online" documents aren't available, written materials usually include "citations", such as descriptions of original sources, whether they be magazines, newspapers, books, and printed publications of all sorts.  You might try using one here.

And I notice that you don't bother with "no general acceptance" this time.  Of course, all you would have to do is to cite one or two places where that "study" has been used and accepted in peer-reviewed literature or in respected publications.  But you don't even give us a link to the original material.

That makes me want to ask, "why?"

And you're 37????  Sheesh!  You're old enough to know better.  I take it back my apology.

You are a disappointing waste of time.  In order to avoid repeating my criticisms for a fourth time because, yet again, you utterly fail to refute them,  I'm outta here.

by EveningStarNM on 11/25/2009 03:10:37 PM EST

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Regarding "name-calling":

It was YOU who wanted to make this a character issue.  You are the one calling people "hypocrites" at the very top of this page.  You should expect that when you present arguments such as yours that you might be subject to the very kind of character attack that you are making against others.

And it's hypocritical of you to launch an attack on people's characters and then cry foul when people attack yours.

by EveningStarNM on 11/25/2009 03:18:01 PM EST

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Your blood pressure is rising, and it shows... You've been beaten, Global Climate change is not the end of the world, and Thothlike is cooler (no pun intended) than you...

by bobo1 on 11/25/2009 05:37:20 PM EST

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You still think your comments matter to me.   Well, I guess there's just nothing we can do about your delusions except pity you.

by EveningStarNM on 11/25/2009 05:41:53 PM EST

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is delusional in many ways..

maybe he will start using what he thinks is your "real" name and become your buddy.

Im pretty sure hes been drinking pretty heavily.

If you get bored just send the other school teacher to ( I think he said he was a poor school teacher  from some other little country)

http://www.realclimate.org/

He will be very very very busy trying to refute the scientists and evidence.

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 11/26/2009 10:34:44 AM EST

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... that's honest :-D

And that's fine... so would you still deny other people who feel diferently to at least have the choice of the public option... that way you (and those who feel like you) can keep your private insurrance without taxes and those who want the government to provide their healthcare can have that... and everybody gets what they want?

Love Thothlike

by Thothlike on 11/26/2009 03:44:03 AM EST

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What's wrong with the federal government providing or guarantying their
citizens all of their basic needs (i.e. protection (army) - security (police/firedepartment) - justice (courtsystem) - decent living standards (minimumwages/welfare) - healthcare (public option) - etc.)?

It was once said... any society should be judged on how they treat their weakest members (which includes sick people)...

How does a society which have no healthcare for 40mill of it's people and deny coverage for a large percentage of the rest fair on that standard?

Love Thothlike

by Thothlike on 11/26/2009 05:13:28 AM EST

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Indigents already receive free health care in America. All they need to do is go to an emergency room.
Yes but that only covers emergencies (i.e. broken bones and blody noses and... etc.) it doesn't cover treatment and decease(cancer and meningitis and... etc.)...

My guess is that you might have witnessed this lack of initiative from some citizens in your own country.
Off course we have people who can but doesn't want to work (just like every other country in the world)... we are no different in that respect...

The question isn't whether we have those people... the question is whether we have more of those people than the US (and everybody else)... and whether the people who wants to work in the US are better or worse of than the same people in Denmark (and every other industialized country who ALL have universal healthcare)...

The answer to those two questions are...
No we don't have more 'lazy' people than the US...
And the working people in the rest of the industrialized world (incl. Denmark) are better insured for less money than the working people in the US...

So the question becomes... if you could recieve better coverage for less money (even if the 'lazy' people would get it to)... do you want it?
Or do you dislike the 'lazy' people SO MUCH that you are willing to pay more for less coverage just so they don't get any coverage? :-D

Love Thothlike

by Thothlike on 11/26/2009 06:19:04 AM EST

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Poor people with serious illness like cancer or heart disease receive free health care in America.
If that's true then I stand corrected... that just wasn't my impression... why do people then complain about being denied for anything by the insurrance compagnies for preexisting conditions etc. if they can get it for free if they want to?

Socialism offers nothing for me.
So you would vote for disbanning mediecare and mediecaid and the police and the firedepartment and the courts and the army and... (every other 'free' socialist benifits you recieve from your government payed for by your taxes) and just let people pay for it themselves when their car gets stolen and they need the police or their house burns and the need the firedepartment or when your country is attacked then let the people who want to defend it pay for the army or... etc... all out of their own pocket?

We have a "Two Tier" health care system in America. Poor people receive free care that looks like this, and that's how it should be.
Nice picture :-S hehe
Well if this is what you are ok with and you believe (and your answer to my above question is yes to all) then at least you are consistent... you most certainly doesn't share my view of humanity and that pesky litlle christian/socialist value of helping your fellow man in need...

But that's ok we don't all have to agree... :-D - I'm not looking for followers here... I'm looking for who's consistent and honest and who are hypocrits and trolls... :-D

Love Thothlike

by Thothlike on 11/26/2009 08:20:55 AM EST

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Yes indeed. Poor people with cancer receive world class care at facilities like MD Anderson in Houston, and there is no charge.
Then I stand corrected :-D

Not at all. Those are earned benefits. Americans contribute to these funds with every paycheck.
Yes... called taxes :-D

I’m sorry we disagree, but please don’t be angry.
LOL I'm most certainly not angry... I can handle disagreement... what pisses me off are hypocrites and trolls (of which you have proven to be neither so far)... :-D

I’m all for giving people a helping hand when they temporarily lose their job. In fact, I would like to see benefits enhanced and extended, including health care.
How Liberal of you :-D hehe

Notice when you disagree with American Conservatives, the conversation remains genteel and respectful. But when you tried to disagree with American Liberals in the same tone, you suffered vile, personal insults.

That’s because conservatives are much more secure and confident in their positions than liberals are. You are shaking the foundations of liberal belief systems, which are very shallow to begin with. It's very disturbing to these childlike, dependent personalities.

Well that luckily is not true :-D
First you are forgetting that I'm one of those damn Liberals... and I'm VERY confident in my position :-D
Second I have meet many people in this discussion who are also left wing like me when it comes to politics and that completely disagree with my views on manmade global warming... but I have only found one troll (at least so far)... so I can't say (based on those facts) that Liberals or Conservatives are more prone in here to be trolls... everybody (except one) have been surprisingly (in the positive sense) civil and interested in honest and open discussions...

So thank you all for proving me wrong :-D

Love Thothlike

by Thothlike on 11/26/2009 10:42:16 AM EST

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Or do you dislike the 'lazy' people SO MUCH that you are willing to pay more for less coverage just so they don't get any coverage? :-D

Let me give you an objective answer for Kenny the Fascist Clown (KFC):
He hates lazy people (that includes mentally and otherwise handicapped people, people who have suffered from a terrible blow of fate and children) SOSOSOSO MUCH that he actually would pay MORE money to see them suffer more. And that is exactly what he is doing in the current system and you point out in your post. I have made the exact point multiple times before but he is too stupid to understand that point and too hateful of what he calls "indigents" (scapegoats to blame for everything that goes wrong, like the Jews in Nazi Germany).

I only skimmed the rest of the conversation but let me assure you: Kenny is a troll in the true sense of the internet lingo word (inflammatory posts, then runs away, lies and cajoles unsuspecting new members like yourself to sway them to his side). Eveningstar is not. ES is a little moody and not very patient with noobs ;).

by eborujion on 11/27/2009 08:49:11 AM EST

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when the conservatives run the entire country into the worst recession since 1932.

We where losing jobs at a rate of 700,000 a month

Banks where collapsing left and right

The housing market collapsed

etc etc etc

And you are knocking Democrats?  

I actually laughed out loud

If you dont want your healthcare costs to go up... then get behind the public option.

I know change is a scary thing for a conservative

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 11/26/2009 10:43:55 AM EST

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you forgot to mention the conservatives ran the whole country to the edge of total economic collapse. You must be so proud

Come to think of it..  the conservatives really fucked things up in 92 as well.. I think it was 92  the savings and loans..

:)

Im starting to think you just cant trust them running the government arent you?

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 12/01/2009 01:26:25 AM EST

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