No legend:
My bad... true it didn't say which line was which... the red line is sunspots and the blue line is temperature...

No scale:
They are Celsius and number of sunspots...

No scource:
They came from a study made by danish scientists Svensmark and Christensen...

No data:
True... no data tables... you'll have to get your data from the graphs...

And having you identify me as a "troll" in this forum is simply wonderful!  It's kind of like having my cake and eating it, too.  You're simply looking foolish.
Maybe... or maybe you are shoving your true colors... I have seen you complain over the right-wing trolls time and time again accusing them of namecalling not caring about the facts and not interested in a serious discussion based on logic... and then when the shoe is on the other foot you show yourself to be no different...

When the discussion have been about healthcare and Obama and... etc. I have even experienced you complementing me on my logic and common sense... where is that now?

But how old are you, anyway?
Hmmm read my profile... I'm 37 (might be a kid to you... I don't know)...

Love Thothlike

by Thothlike on 11/25/2009 02:24:31 PM EST

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...if you're intentionally lying or if you're simply tremendously ignorant, but this will be the last time I waste any time on you:

Your "bad"?  I would think that is obvious.

"Celsius and number of sunspots":  And juxtaposing various stretches of those scales is valid?  How?  Why?  You're asking me to take your word for it that there's an actual statistical corelation.  I don't.

"...a study..." made by who, where?  Let me explain: the world wide web, a network on the internet, has the capability to allow people to fetch information from all over the world using what are popularly known as "links".  However, even if such "online" documents aren't available, written materials usually include "citations", such as descriptions of original sources, whether they be magazines, newspapers, books, and printed publications of all sorts.  You might try using one here.

And I notice that you don't bother with "no general acceptance" this time.  Of course, all you would have to do is to cite one or two places where that "study" has been used and accepted in peer-reviewed literature or in respected publications.  But you don't even give us a link to the original material.

That makes me want to ask, "why?"

And you're 37????  Sheesh!  You're old enough to know better.  I take it back my apology.

You are a disappointing waste of time.  In order to avoid repeating my criticisms for a fourth time because, yet again, you utterly fail to refute them,  I'm outta here.

by EveningStarNM on 11/25/2009 03:10:37 PM EST

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Regarding "name-calling":

It was YOU who wanted to make this a character issue.  You are the one calling people "hypocrites" at the very top of this page.  You should expect that when you present arguments such as yours that you might be subject to the very kind of character attack that you are making against others.

And it's hypocritical of you to launch an attack on people's characters and then cry foul when people attack yours.

by EveningStarNM on 11/25/2009 03:18:01 PM EST

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Your blood pressure is rising, and it shows... You've been beaten, Global Climate change is not the end of the world, and Thothlike is cooler (no pun intended) than you...

by bobo1 on 11/25/2009 05:37:20 PM EST

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You still think your comments matter to me.   Well, I guess there's just nothing we can do about your delusions except pity you.

by EveningStarNM on 11/25/2009 05:41:53 PM EST

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is delusional in many ways..

maybe he will start using what he thinks is your "real" name and become your buddy.

Im pretty sure hes been drinking pretty heavily.

If you get bored just send the other school teacher to ( I think he said he was a poor school teacher  from some other little country)

http://www.realclimate.org/

He will be very very very busy trying to refute the scientists and evidence.

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 11/26/2009 10:34:44 AM EST

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... that's honest :-D

And that's fine... so would you still deny other people who feel diferently to at least have the choice of the public option... that way you (and those who feel like you) can keep your private insurrance without taxes and those who want the government to provide their healthcare can have that... and everybody gets what they want?

Love Thothlike

by Thothlike on 11/26/2009 03:44:03 AM EST

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What's wrong with the federal government providing or guarantying their
citizens all of their basic needs (i.e. protection (army) - security (police/firedepartment) - justice (courtsystem) - decent living standards (minimumwages/welfare) - healthcare (public option) - etc.)?

It was once said... any society should be judged on how they treat their weakest members (which includes sick people)...

How does a society which have no healthcare for 40mill of it's people and deny coverage for a large percentage of the rest fair on that standard?

Love Thothlike

by Thothlike on 11/26/2009 05:13:28 AM EST

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Indigents already receive free health care in America. All they need to do is go to an emergency room.
Yes but that only covers emergencies (i.e. broken bones and blody noses and... etc.) it doesn't cover treatment and decease(cancer and meningitis and... etc.)...

My guess is that you might have witnessed this lack of initiative from some citizens in your own country.
Off course we have people who can but doesn't want to work (just like every other country in the world)... we are no different in that respect...

The question isn't whether we have those people... the question is whether we have more of those people than the US (and everybody else)... and whether the people who wants to work in the US are better or worse of than the same people in Denmark (and every other industialized country who ALL have universal healthcare)...

The answer to those two questions are...
No we don't have more 'lazy' people than the US...
And the working people in the rest of the industrialized world (incl. Denmark) are better insured for less money than the working people in the US...

So the question becomes... if you could recieve better coverage for less money (even if the 'lazy' people would get it to)... do you want it?
Or do you dislike the 'lazy' people SO MUCH that you are willing to pay more for less coverage just so they don't get any coverage? :-D

Love Thothlike

by Thothlike on 11/26/2009 06:19:04 AM EST

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Poor people with serious illness like cancer or heart disease receive free health care in America.
If that's true then I stand corrected... that just wasn't my impression... why do people then complain about being denied for anything by the insurrance compagnies for preexisting conditions etc. if they can get it for free if they want to?

Socialism offers nothing for me.
So you would vote for disbanning mediecare and mediecaid and the police and the firedepartment and the courts and the army and... (every other 'free' socialist benifits you recieve from your government payed for by your taxes) and just let people pay for it themselves when their car gets stolen and they need the police or their house burns and the need the firedepartment or when your country is attacked then let the people who want to defend it pay for the army or... etc... all out of their own pocket?

We have a "Two Tier" health care system in America. Poor people receive free care that looks like this, and that's how it should be.
Nice picture :-S hehe
Well if this is what you are ok with and you believe (and your answer to my above question is yes to all) then at least you are consistent... you most certainly doesn't share my view of humanity and that pesky litlle christian/socialist value of helping your fellow man in need...

But that's ok we don't all have to agree... :-D - I'm not looking for followers here... I'm looking for who's consistent and honest and who are hypocrits and trolls... :-D

Love Thothlike

by Thothlike on 11/26/2009 08:20:55 AM EST

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Yes indeed. Poor people with cancer receive world class care at facilities like MD Anderson in Houston, and there is no charge.
Then I stand corrected :-D

Not at all. Those are earned benefits. Americans contribute to these funds with every paycheck.
Yes... called taxes :-D

I’m sorry we disagree, but please don’t be angry.
LOL I'm most certainly not angry... I can handle disagreement... what pisses me off are hypocrites and trolls (of which you have proven to be neither so far)... :-D

I’m all for giving people a helping hand when they temporarily lose their job. In fact, I would like to see benefits enhanced and extended, including health care.
How Liberal of you :-D hehe

Notice when you disagree with American Conservatives, the conversation remains genteel and respectful. But when you tried to disagree with American Liberals in the same tone, you suffered vile, personal insults.

That’s because conservatives are much more secure and confident in their positions than liberals are. You are shaking the foundations of liberal belief systems, which are very shallow to begin with. It's very disturbing to these childlike, dependent personalities.

Well that luckily is not true :-D
First you are forgetting that I'm one of those damn Liberals... and I'm VERY confident in my position :-D
Second I have meet many people in this discussion who are also left wing like me when it comes to politics and that completely disagree with my views on manmade global warming... but I have only found one troll (at least so far)... so I can't say (based on those facts) that Liberals or Conservatives are more prone in here to be trolls... everybody (except one) have been surprisingly (in the positive sense) civil and interested in honest and open discussions...

So thank you all for proving me wrong :-D

Love Thothlike

by Thothlike on 11/26/2009 10:42:16 AM EST

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Or do you dislike the 'lazy' people SO MUCH that you are willing to pay more for less coverage just so they don't get any coverage? :-D

Let me give you an objective answer for Kenny the Fascist Clown (KFC):
He hates lazy people (that includes mentally and otherwise handicapped people, people who have suffered from a terrible blow of fate and children) SOSOSOSO MUCH that he actually would pay MORE money to see them suffer more. And that is exactly what he is doing in the current system and you point out in your post. I have made the exact point multiple times before but he is too stupid to understand that point and too hateful of what he calls "indigents" (scapegoats to blame for everything that goes wrong, like the Jews in Nazi Germany).

I only skimmed the rest of the conversation but let me assure you: Kenny is a troll in the true sense of the internet lingo word (inflammatory posts, then runs away, lies and cajoles unsuspecting new members like yourself to sway them to his side). Eveningstar is not. ES is a little moody and not very patient with noobs ;).

by eborujion on 11/27/2009 08:49:11 AM EST

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when the conservatives run the entire country into the worst recession since 1932.

We where losing jobs at a rate of 700,000 a month

Banks where collapsing left and right

The housing market collapsed

etc etc etc

And you are knocking Democrats?  

I actually laughed out loud

If you dont want your healthcare costs to go up... then get behind the public option.

I know change is a scary thing for a conservative

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 11/26/2009 10:43:55 AM EST

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you forgot to mention the conservatives ran the whole country to the edge of total economic collapse. You must be so proud

Come to think of it..  the conservatives really fucked things up in 92 as well.. I think it was 92  the savings and loans..

:)

Im starting to think you just cant trust them running the government arent you?

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 12/01/2009 01:26:25 AM EST

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