Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth

They tell the whole story, in pure Engineering terms.

Yes, there were controlled demolitions, that's the only reason why the buildings fell straight down. The little puffs you see were explosive squibs; the volume of air was far too great to be compressed and cause those puffs.

The evidence is there, under all the straw man bullshit, it's just a lot of work to sort it all out.

My uncle was a pilot for United Airlines all his adult life, and he says there are also gross inconsistencies in the aviation part of the "story", but I don't pretend to understand those.

Yes, 9/11 was a scam, a con job. We were lied to.

From a pure propaganda perspective, I have to admire those behind this scam, though. The 9/11 coverup was a beautiful, impeccably-managed example of the Big Lie technique. And the ultimate beauty of it is that people desperately want to believe the Lie, because if they don't believe it, they must then question things they are totally unprepared to question. It becomes a case of "I'm going to believe this, because I just don't have time to deal with the implications of not believing it."

by RedPossum on 11/07/2009 11:21:02 AM EST

Screw loose change...
Screw screw loose change...
And several editions of each.

I really don't know the truth, but it seems strange to me that most of the conspiracy believers come from America. People in Europe questioned wether it was a plot by the government (which I really don't find unbelievable), but all these scientific arguments come mainly from America. European scientists seem at least to believe that the collapse was not staged.

To a lot of Europeans that would not be hard to believe in the implications of not believing it. American politicians willing to sacrifice Americans to secure their power? That's really nothing new.

I can believe that America sponsored the terrorists and enabled them, but not that they would controll the demolition. The planes flying in the buildings are enough for the cameras, the collapse is just an added bonus. To risk the exposure of a controlled collapse seems to dangerous to me.

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 11/07/2009 11:37:39 AM EST

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however, eyewitness accounts at the wtc buildings, including civilians,firefighters, and other first responders are who I put stock in.

I don't believe the msm for one moment. after all, they just parroted everything that the bush admin told them to parrot since day one, so I am not about to fall for that nonsense again.

I'm also glad that this thread is pretty well behaved and not just blindly lashing out at one another as well. good stuff guys. keep it civil. 

by moediggity on 08/04/2010 04:32:58 PM EST

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You realize that the tallest building ever brought down with controlled demolitions (439ft) took over 4000 separate charges to bring down and it took a preparation period of 7 months before they were ready to bring it down? That they had an abandoned building entirely to themselves to work on, and it took 7 months.

The World Trade Centers were around 1365 feet tall. Each. If the same proportionate amount of charges were needed, then there would have been around 12400 charges in each building.

Thats 24800 charges in total.

All of which would have to have been placed at night, and any holes made in walls would need to be covered up so no one got suspicious.

Not one of the 50,000 people who worked in the towers or 200,000 visitors that came every weekday were to know about this.

None of the dogs trained to sniff out even one bomb that were regularly brought to the towers were able to sniff out even one of the 24800 bombs that were in the towers.

This would have taken months, but no one noticed somehow. 

You're right, we're the mindless sheep here.

There's a very fine line between not listening, and not caring. I like to think that I walk that line every day of my life. -Leonard Church-

by Byne on 11/07/2009 01:32:06 PM EST

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Check out this link:

Seems that the steel was not below standards as it was used to build a new navy ship called the USS New York.  So much for that government theory.  

Anybody with critical thinking skills can see that something is strange about 9/11.  

by sampson on 11/07/2009 10:44:45 PM EST

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The attack has an omen in the film long kiss goodnight - patsy, war, and all... it should be a hint to the intellectually prudent, that the official 911 conspiracy has never been able use physical models to reproduce their magical physics.  

If office furniture burns as hot to release the kind of energy, they'd be stuffing rockets full of office furniture for moon launches.

The fact that they fudged, underfinanced and lied about was the investigation - and that the public accepted it as a genuine reichstag fire on home soil - speaks to the decline and wretchedness of empire.

Some things are very curious about it; the thermal image of the site days after demolition suggests some sort of thermal charge.  The total pulverisation of all the concrete to fine dust and the banana peel is an awesome amount of energy.  No wonder the 911 believers cannot reproduce their magic physics, like the magic bullet with kennedy, its all harry potter and computer games.

The finnish military expert explains how there was enough energy to vaporize all 200,000 gallons of water in the roof tanks of each tower, and to pulverize all the concrete, melt the core and ensure a total failure.

However, the section of this paper on target coupling explains the superheated cloud, the ablating steel flying off the building, the toasted cars, and the earthquakes and the missing lake of water (that's 5 acre-feet - one entire floor of the WTC top, 5 feet deep in water - bouf - disappeared.  The energy to disappear the water and do all the observed after the jet fuel was mostly burned off - begs physics inquiry.

If the link fails, the paper you can search up is called "Fourth generation nuclear weapons: military effectiveness and collatoral effects."

How much energy to take 10 meters thick of solid concrete floors from inside the towers and turn them to dust - its immmense, any person with common sense knows that if they hurl a chunk of concrete off el-capitan, it will break, but it won't turn to fine dust -.  

Actually, considering they designed all the metanarratives along with the story in their little cheney bunker, all the twists and turns were predefined from the getgo in the great story to sucker the masses and to marginalize any intellectual or industry person capable enough to know the physics of building collapse or to blow the whistle on it.  The public has bought in to it, its a dirty family lie that has to be protected to keep the national wounding and vengeful pissing war of money on to a dead cold war military machine alive.

They don't want the intellectual class, so they created a perfect wedge to cut off all real engineers and physicists and people capable of science... modern bolsheviks speak in these blogs, blaring out their communist propaganda of the day.  Its not antiintellectual, its an anti-intelligence rebellion of staggering efficiency.

I think they believed that the nukes would be more noticable, and they had a whole backup patsy story with suitcase bombs, but they didn't need to use it.  Baudrillard's writings on simulacra explain the operational real they've created without atmosphere, where every mind gets sucked in to the dialectic of pre-programmed narratives, long ago planned in a rumsfeldian unknown.  

I admire your bravery for outing the repeaters, redpossum.  Given that the white house is paying people to infiltrate internets and spin up the 911 story, how many are paid agents of the man? and sadder still, how many are unpaid keyboard numpties repeating their bedttime stories.

by sweetheart on 07/19/2010 11:17:38 AM EST

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This theory is better than some of the strawmen that are often set up.

It addresses the pulverizing of the concrete; and the nature of the planes and their accuracy, and the clownish flight training of the alleged perpetrators.

I don't doubt that the people concerned are morally capable of it; and though I don't like conspiracy theories I know there are conspiracies.

The main problem is that it would have been so damned hard to pull off; so complicated and requiring such coordination.

So I have to file it under "interesting" pending further evidence.

I sometimes wonder what Bush was thinking during those minutes in the classroom. Was it something like: "Who would want a pet goat; dogs are much better... What was that about a plane?" Or could it have been more like: "Oh god, they've actually done it! Can we really get away with this? Can I carry off that 'war president' act they've had me practicing?"

by Landbeyond on 07/20/2010 01:03:40 PM EST

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