An actual war in the Balkans was going on with proven ethnic cleansing when the US and its European allies intervened. The US set very specific goals, defined a mission, and handled it well, not losing any US personnel during military operations.

By contrast the US went into Iraq with little support, had no defined mission or plan, thus has had to alter it's operations on multiple occasions over the years, and has spent over a trillion dollars, and lost thousands of personnel.
So what is your point?

By the way show me a link where Pelosis tried surrendering in Iraq.

Show me a link where Gates declared victory.

It's not that I don't trust your right-wing talking points, but since most of them prove to be full of crap, lets see some research, and proof of your claims.

by jrolsen on 03/02/2009 01:54:49 PM EST

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"No goal, no objective, not until we have those things and a compelling case is made, then I say, back out of it, because innocent people are going to die for nothing. That's why I'm against it."

"Why should one U.S. airman give up his life when our national security is not in imminent danger?"

"Congressman Moran, a couple of things that are in my mind. Number one is the president has really failed to lay out before the American people the reasons why we need to be involved militarily. That's number one.
And then we go back to Henry Kissinger's test, which is number one, is there a vital U.S. national interest? And do we have a plan to disengage? What's the exit strategy? I don't see that we've met that test either. And why does it have to happen this second, this hour? Why don't we have a national debate first?"

"But you know what? There's a lot of massacres going on in the world. As you know, 37,000 Kurds in Turkey, over a million people in Sudan. We have hundreds of thousands in Rwanda and Burundi. I mean, where do we stop?"

"And we are having a president compare this to Adolf Hitler. Granted, 2,000 in a year is disgusting, despicable, if we can stop it. But let's arm the Kosovo Liberation Army instead of putting U.S. troops in harm's way."

"All right, Lucian Truscott, aren't you being disingenuous? Every day now with the president and vice president this Hitler analogy. You know what? That's all propaganda. That's misinformation.

Now, I'm not minimizing the fact that 2,000 lives have been lost in the last year. But you can't make the comparison in terms of the raw numbers and the brutality of Hitler to Milosevic. Is that not correct, Lucian?"

"So they are looking at America, the United States -- we've seen the instances of flags being burned and so on. We are their enemy, you're saying, in the people's minds, and they support him."

"But if you know - every mistake we've made up to this point, there's no stated goal. There's no definition of success. All these important things. There's no exit strategy. One mistake after another. Why would you go in deeper when we have not been successful up to this point? That seems to me to be folly."

"Senator, let me ask this, here, because by all objective analysis and accounts -- we're going to have Colonel Hackworth out here in mere moments, right after the interview that we have with you here tonight -- this mission is failing."

"Slobodan Milosevic is a bad guy. He's an evil man. Horrible things are happening. I agree with that. Is Bill O'Reilly then saying we go to Rwanda, Burundi, Somalia, Sudan? Where does this stop? And when you look at sheer numbers, 2,000 -- and I'm not minimizing death. It's horrible. What this man is doing with ethnic cleansing is abhorrent, but sheer numbers -- 2,000 killed in the last year versus hundreds of thousands, millions in some cases in other parts of the world. Are you saying the United States should go to all those places?"

(All from Sean Hannity re: Bosnia)

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 03/02/2009 02:17:30 PM EST

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comments after yours  are unnecessary in making the point.  

NEXT!


by Chinese Democracy on 03/02/2009 08:02:57 PM EST

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I do not think I have seen the word if used that many times (other then in a computer program) in a long time.

I'm guessing chemistry majors don't have to take any classes that involve the word logic.

by z1p101 on 03/05/2009 11:50:06 PM EST

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I will do that.

When it is time for you to write that check to the IRS and you are thinking to yourself, "if I was not such a stupid lemming, if I didn't blindly support my party no matter what they did, then this would not be happening to me". 

That will make you think of the power of the word "if".

by z1p101 on 03/06/2009 12:20:35 AM EST

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