The US health care system is #1 in preserving shareholder value...

by MRFred on 03/27/2009 10:00:09 PM EST

The "pursuit of happiness"? Isn't profit the key definition of happiness in terms of the development of our nation? :)

by bobo1 on 03/28/2009 12:07:40 AM EST

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It's "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

Kinda hard to have life if you're dying of preventable/treatable disease.

by Tom Hanc on 03/28/2009 12:10:09 AM EST

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But life isn't profitable enough on its own - if there were no sickness, preventable or otherwise, then there wouldn't be enough profit generated for the insurance, pharmacutical and medical industrial complex... :)

by bobo1 on 03/28/2009 12:15:39 AM EST

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That's why some believe that the profit motive doesn't belong in health care, just as it doesn't belong in the military and police and fire departments.

We don't want our national safety sold to the highest bidder, we want people who actually care about keeping us safe, etc. Another reason why military "contractors" are a disturbing concept.

by Tom Hanc on 03/28/2009 12:21:28 AM EST

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You hit the nail on the head, ihavenobios. The USA has a socialist military, a socialist police force, a socialist postal service, socialist fire departments, highways, parks and a number of other not-for-profit, state- or federally-run services, which we wouldn't dream of exposing to the profit motive. But too many people have been so thoroughly brainwashed by corporate propaganda that they almost instinctively reject anything that smacks of socialism.
The latest financial crisis has shown us where unrestrained capitalism leads.
It's high time people started waking up and seeing reality instead of the pseudo-reality dished up by the corporate media.

by Flashruss on 03/28/2009 09:04:32 AM EST

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except I'd like to point out that we have exposed some of those things to the profit motive. Think of all the private companies that profited immensely from the Iraq war. Flawed free market ideology applied to death and destruction, the belief that private companies are more "efficient". It used to be that the military drove its own mail trucks and peeled its own potatoes and did its own laundry and fought in combat. All of those functions have been privatized to one degree or another, at tremendous expense to the taxpayer (and they taxpayer's grandchildren) while enriching a select few well-connected "contractors"

And back here at home, all sorts of public assets are being privatized. The tollway connecting Chicago to Indiana was sold (or leased or whatever) to a private FOREIGN company a few years ago. And just this year Chicago took a payment of a billion dollars (not sure if that's totally accurate but it was BIG) from a private company in exchange for rights to the parking meters. And sure enough, a few weeks ago, parking meters all over the city doubled in price, some places it quadrupled. It's not the money that bothers me as much as the fact that I'm plunking quarters into the coffers of a for-profit company whenever I park somewhere. Both of these examples illustrate the following point. Infrastructure (tollways/urban parking) shouldn't be a for-profit transaction. People are forced to buy a product that used to be a public asset. It's the worst kind of monopoly because there is no "free market" for roads and parking. It's bullshit!

And our society will crumble because of it.  

by Badass4Peace on 03/28/2009 11:45:49 AM EST

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& well said! 

There has been an ongoing discussion about privatizing our highways as well.  

 


by sisco66 on 03/28/2009 12:35:38 PM EST

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continued from above

by sisco66 on 03/28/2009 12:36:35 PM EST

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This is where conservatives intentionally smear or just don't get that progressives don't want *actual* socialism.

We just recognize that the commons is better served by the government while other things are better served by private business.

But they pretend or believe that we're plotting to make EVERYTHING government run (our electronics, clothes and food brought to us by the government) instead of certain key things that are unique (police, fire,, post office, healthcare, roads and tolls, etc.).

by Tom Hanc on 03/28/2009 12:44:28 PM EST

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Doesn't really apply to corporations, does it?

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 03/28/2009 12:28:14 AM EST

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are considered persons.


by Chinese Democracy on 03/28/2009 12:34:26 AM EST

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We give more rights to foreign owned corporations than we do our own citizens. Just more idiocracy in our system. It was just a few years ago that the Imbecile and Chief and his knuckle dragging cabal were using scare tactics about turning our military over to UN Control in Iraq.

Meanwhile the greedy fucks were selling out the country part and parcel to foreign owned corporations and the Chinese. Maybe we should be treating these companies more like enemy combatants, and foreign prisoners more like people.

by sisco66 on 03/28/2009 08:04:34 AM EST

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Every employer in the country wants to save money on health care, at least the ones not raping the system. Profit is increased through economies of scale and the resulting cost savings. The more people we cover under one system the less it will cost, thus the less it costs to produce goods and services on the empolyers side. The end result is a competitive edge and higher profits.
That goes for the hospital/doctors side as well. Every doctor has separate billing network. If you have ever had to spend any time in the hospital, the paper trail it creates is beyond idiocracy.  

by sisco66 on 03/28/2009 08:14:51 AM EST

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The 'medical industrial complex' has been built around a huge ripoff of overcharging, are you saying they are too big to fail and the sham should continue as-is? Sounds familliar..

by Maverick on 03/28/2009 09:02:55 AM EST

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You totally missed the mark with your spin.

If they ment the pursuit of profit they would have said so , be careful translating old texts to suit your purpose, thats a terrorist tactic.

Secondly, if (because?) their main goal is profit then providing the least amount of care possible is what they are striving for.

This second point should explain why government run medical works better in every country in the world.

 

by Maverick on 03/28/2009 08:57:27 AM EST

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It's so far down and out of allignment that it's not clear (to me).

by Tom Hanc on 03/28/2009 12:41:13 PM EST

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the parent link at the bottom.

by z1p101 on 03/28/2009 01:03:13 PM EST

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Although I still think the format could be much clearer. For example, Click Here and scroll down a little.

Now THAT is clear.

by Tom Hanc on 03/28/2009 01:15:52 PM EST

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