yeah, i frequently get annoyed by similar statements in the 3rd hour, especially by often self-deprecating Ana, who really has by all real standards a fantastic body (at least from the waist up, her legs and behind might be a real mess for all I know ;).

I mean, I get it that people (especially female people) need to gossip about anything superficial but Young Turks being liberal and controversial while clinging to the facts could assume the responsibility not to propagate the stereotypes put forward by a somewhat perverted society (All Ihavenobias said about that matter was absolutely true, I 'd like to add that nowhere in our genes the phenotypes of pale, anorexic sick looking model types are preferred, that's what I call perversion by possibly gay and/or pedophile and/or woman hating and/or unbalanced designers). (Note: i did not intend to say they're perverted because they are gay).

P.S.: @GGoodie, you are a little biased with that weight issue, because we all know it's a scientific fact that on average black women can weigh at least 25 pounds more than the average white woman without being considered (or looking for that matter) obese. Maybe I'm stretching science here, but come-on, its true ;).

by eborujion on 04/09/2009 04:44:34 PM EST

I'm too young, site-wise ;). I'm reading regularly maybe since December or January. Excellent post, I couldn't agree more, obviously. I think recent years saw a slight improvement of the ideal body image of women, Scarlett, Lindsay and Kim Kardashian being indication of that. Maybe more public awareness of body image disorders will further that trend in the future. Ultimately and sadly the best incentive for the designers to hire more "womanly" models will be when everyone stops paying attention and buying their crappy clothes.

by eborujion on 04/09/2009 09:53:57 PM EST

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The other thing is, again, it's a tricky situation because so many Americans are overweight in terms of health/medical standards.

So I *do* get annoyed when someone who is clearly overweight (beauty standards aside) says "I'm happy with how I look".  That's great, but are you happy with your blood pressure, blood fat levels and risk of diabetes and arthritis (etc.)?

I say this as someone who grew up fat. I eventually lost the fat and got into eating healthy and lifting weights (although I've had my fluctations over time), so I have both great sympathy/empathy and a lack of patience for the "it's ok to be fat" attitude. I should say my sympathy/empathy is regarding how damn hard it is to avoid calorie dense, tasty foods, for so many reasons.


by Tom Hanc on 04/09/2009 10:01:45 PM EST

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Myself being metabolically very old-fashioned and having experienced the range from BMI 19 to BMI 31 have a general idea what you're talking about ;).

Given an adequate Lean/Fat Mass Ratio which often cannot be seen with the naked eye, even if the body is naked, people are generally healthy in that respect. I would not try to predict any biomarkers and risk factors (except joint degradation) for them or denigrate life styles they exhibit.

Of course there are the clinically obese "human food-feces converters" (yeah, I'm a bad guy) where it is physically impossible an adequate amount of lean mass is buried under those flabby expanses... but i digress. And also, that is a pathological condition and I denounce and reject any prior cynical expressions made.

As a sidenote i might add that, if the economic system demands unrestrained growth, who can blame the lower cast people lacking real opportunities to expand the only thing they have the power to do so? But I digress again... ;).

by eborujion on 04/10/2009 11:15:36 AM EST

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I know that me being a black woman, I am portioned and sized differently than most women. (butt, hips, waist), but at the same time you do not see a lot of women like myself on the front of magazines and on TV.

Whenever I see a commericial with a thicker woman in it I am amazed (i.e. Pine-Sol, Ebay), because we are not used to seeing that type of woman on TV.

And by most people not being used to it, they are judgmental of it.

:)

 

"Everything That Is Green...Is KeeN"

by GGooDie on 04/10/2009 08:55:00 AM EST

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