Not a single RWnut has posted on this topic.

Why have they gone suddenly silent on their favorite subject?

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 05/25/2009 08:58:07 PM EST

The RWers know when they've lost.  One of their own did a 180 when he went to look up facts.  Then they realize "hey, if we shut up about torture, maybe the left won't rub it in our faces too much that we lost."

by birdboy1 on 05/25/2009 09:39:47 PM EST

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Are you referring to "Mancow" or did one of the local trolls "see the light"?

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 05/25/2009 11:37:06 PM EST

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First he thought waterboarding was not torture, then he does a little "hands on investigation" and does a 180.  

by birdboy1 on 05/25/2009 11:43:31 PM EST

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I thought you were saying one of the local RWnuts had actually accepted reality. One can always hope.

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 05/26/2009 12:02:54 AM EST

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He now says "Yes, its torture, but we need to torture in order to extract information."  
The only information you can extract from torture is the information you want to hear.  Like Al Quaeda- Iraq links.

by birdboy1 on 05/26/2009 12:36:09 AM EST

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Freely redefine reality whenever it interferes with your philosophy.

"we need to torture in order to extract information"

Guarantee he can't provide a coherent explanation why.

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 05/26/2009 01:09:43 AM EST

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Obviously, the government being able to hold prisoners indefinitely, torture, tap wires without a warrant, and search homes without a warrant keeps us safe!  (He was a wimp on quartering troops)  It worked so well when we were a british colony!

by birdboy1 on 05/27/2009 10:31:03 PM EST

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One of their own did a 180 when he went to look up facts.

Mancow did not look up facts. He staged a fake waterboarding for the publicity and ratings.

by Twba on 06/01/2009 12:29:33 PM EST

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Twba, this road you've turned onto is a dead-end. And the building at the end of is the central headquarters of Willful Ignornace Incorporated. Turn back while you still can!

It's much easier to believe that Mancow's waterboarding was real, while the claims that it was fake are the publicity stunt. Dontcha think?

by OneHitKill on 06/01/2009 08:46:42 PM EST

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It's much easier to believe that Mancow's waterboarding was real, while the claims that it was fake are the publicity stunt. Dontcha think?

No, I stand by what I said. Mancow's stunt is obviously fake. Watch the real thing and you'll see the difference.

by Twba on 06/05/2009 06:18:34 AM EST

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Who can blame him for undergoing a kinder, gentler version of the real thing? The real thing is a lot worse, right? He underwent a milder version and HE STILL CALLED IT TORTURE. Whether or not his goal was mere ratings is quite unimportant. Tell you what: You stand by what you said, and I'll stand by what I said, and we'll have lots of fun standing in our respective locations.

by OneHitKill on 06/05/2009 11:05:24 AM EST

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Penn and Teller undergo a kinder, gentler version of being shot in the face.

by Twba on 06/06/2009 01:15:46 PM EST

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Im glad you flat earthers are an ever shrinking minority.


by Chinese Democracy on 06/06/2009 06:08:54 PM EST

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Are you saying waterboarding is torture or not?

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 06/07/2009 12:54:48 AM EST

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I don't see any journalist volunteering to have his fingernails torn out. I certainly have not been made aware of any journalist volunteering to have alligator clips attached to his scrotum so Darth Cheney can place a long distance call to his testicles. But many have been willing to be waterboarded.

by Twba on 06/12/2009 12:49:49 PM EST

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You haven't come out and said that waterboarding is or is not torture yet.  What is your stance on waterboarding?  is it torture?  I'd like to assess your sanity so that I know whether or not to argue with you.  

A wise man once said: never argue with an idiot.  The best possible outcome is that you won an argument with an idiot.

by birdboy1 on 06/12/2009 07:49:14 PM EST

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Did everyone know that the moon landing was a hoax?  Same with global warming- just a scam to get people to buy more expensive light bulbs.

By the way, the holocaust- completely fake.  Ditto with Kennedy's assassination- He's alive and well living in Wisconsin

by birdboy1 on 06/01/2009 04:30:18 PM EST

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Shafran responded to Gawker via email last night with this comment:

    It was NOT a hoax. Early on when we were looking for someone to waterboard, an email was sent out looking for someone to do it and I mistakenly said it would be staged. That was my mistake and a misunderstanding. But that was early and NOT TRUE AT ALL. It was not staged. NOT AT ALL. When it happened several days later, it was real, honest, actual, not staged. Any info you have was my mistake. THE WATERBOARDING OF MANCOW WAS REAL!!!!!!

What's more, Gawker claims the staff at Countdown with Keith Olbermann knew of the email exchange prior to his booking on Countdown Tuesday night.

An MSNBC spokesperson tells TVNewser, "We were assured by the publicist that this was just a poor choice of words in her haste to find someone to do the waterboarding."

> Update: Mancow responds to Gawker: "We went into this thinking it was going to be a joke. But it was not a joke -- it was horrible. 'Hoax' is probably not the right word, but we did think it was going to be a joke."

> Update 2: Gawker's John Cook also talked with Klay South, the marine who performed the waterboarding: "I know nothing about waterboarding. I had never done it before, I have no formal training in it, and I've never had it done to me. The only thing I knew was what I saw on the internet. I went to waterboarding.org and looked it up. I just did what I was told-poured the water on his face and that was it. I'm probably the last person they should have had do it. I didn't know what I was doing."

> Update 3: Mancow will be a guest on Countdown with Keith Olbermann tonight (Friday) to address the situation.

> Update 4: Tonight's segment below:

by gatekeeper50 on 06/01/2009 05:53:20 PM EST

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For a brave torture appologist to turn up.


"You may have read by now the official lie about this treatment, which is that it “simulates” the feeling of drowning. This is not the case. You feel that you are drowning because you are drowning—or, rather, being drowned, albeit slowly and under controlled conditions and at the mercy (or otherwise) of those who are applying the pressure. The “board” is the instrument, not the method. You are not being boarded. You are being watered."
 
"I apply the Abraham Lincoln test for moral casuistry: “If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong.” Well, then, if waterboarding does not constitute torture, then there is no such thing as torture."

Christopher Hitchens
http://www.vanityfair.com/p olitics/features/2008/08/hi tchens200808

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 06/02/2009 12:34:33 AM EST

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the writer didn't look up any facts .It was based on an email.

And apparently neither have you.

The Gawker piece claims its "fake" because it wasnt done directly by the CIA or a CIA contractor.

Ask John McCain if it was "fake" .

There is the video

Prove that video was "faked"  post something credible by some expert that says that video is not real.

Is this really all you have? Some debunked tripe from Gawker?


by Chinese Democracy on 06/02/2009 06:55:37 PM EST

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Why is the RWnut quoting it as gospel?

"The Gawker piece claims its "fake" because it wasnt done directly by the CIA or a CIA contractor."

Of course the CIA operatives received their training from military SERE instructors, so just who exactly would the Gawker accept as a "certified water-boarder"?

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 06/03/2009 12:30:59 AM EST

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