Should We Waterboard the Domestic Terrorist Who Shot Dr. Tiller? | 83 comments (83 topical, 0 hidden)
Sober UP!! (2.25 / 3)
Yes Cenk was being sarcastic but with that out of the way; I must say Cenk you're nuts and all your TYT groupies are too if you say this guy is obviously a terrorist. If I kill a child molestor because he was in my community that doesnt make me a terrorist. If we use this classification system then almost all crimes are acts of terrorism. If I kill that pedophile it might scare all the other pedophiles in the neighborhood but that doesnt make that my intent. The fact that this Dr. didnt break the law and the molestor did skews the analogy a bit but you cant act like this doctor is removing tumors. He is removing babies and killing them. The key is late term abortion we arent talking about a packet of cells for stem cell research. We're talking about a 5-6 month old baby with a brain, heart, hands, eyes.Imean come on

by atraindust on 06/02/2009 09:30:19 PM EST

Do you deny... (4.60 / 4)
...that these people kill with the intention of terrorizing other OBGYNs and their staffs who provide abortion services?

It would be odd if you did, since the terrorists who kill these medical practitioners say they do it for that reason.

by EveningStarNM on 06/02/2009 09:53:01 PM EST

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I dont deny that he wants to scare others from doing this. I am saying that doesnt make him a terrorist. If your brother gets bullied at school and you go into his school and kill one of the kids that bullied him that doesnt make you a terrorist. That makes you an overreacting vigilante. A criminal who should go to jail but not a terrorist.

by atraindust on 06/02/2009 10:02:02 PM EST

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No, Spiderman is a vigilante (5.00 / 6)
I dont deny that he wants to scare others from doing this. I am saying that doesnt make him a terrorist

Then your understanding of what terrorism is needs work. Breaking the law in order to manipulate people through fear is terrorism, and that's exactly what this guy did.

by OneHitKill on 06/03/2009 01:31:15 PM EST

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hey (2.50 / 1)
if that was his primary goal then yes he is a terrorist, but any time you commit an act of violence against someone for something they did it may scare others that do the same. now that doesnt make you a terrorist...unless the only reason you did it was to scare others from doing the same. if you beat up my sister and i shoot you and then you ask me if i wanted to scare other guys from beating up my sister. i would say yes because people need to know they cant get away with it. but that wasnt my only goal. my primary goal was for revenge against someone who beat up a family member. now if you have evidence that this guy wasnt really mad at this doc individually it was just a message killing to scare then okay he is a terrorist but i dont know how everyone knew that an hour after he commited the act. QUIT labeling everryone a terrorist instantly. that was my point.

by atraindust on 06/03/2009 07:26:04 PM EST

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Word first aid (4.20 / 4)
QUIT labeling everryone a terrorist instantly.

You're preaching to the choir on that point. The word "terrorist" has been abused to the point of meaninglessness. But part and parcel of repairing the word is using it correctly, which I believe I have.

by OneHitKill on 06/04/2009 02:47:17 AM EST

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Oh, and you overlooked something else, too. (4.60 / 4)
Not all 5- to 6-month old fetuses have brains, hearts, hands, or eyes.  That's why some pregnant women think that a third-trimester abortion might be necessary.  But I'm sure you didn't overlook that intentionally, did you?

by EveningStarNM on 06/03/2009 01:06:57 AM EST

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No (2.33 / 2)
I didnt overlook this quit bringing up issues that are a 1 in a 1000. Were talking about killing healthy babies not babies that are going to die because its not developing right or have life threating diseases or pregnancies that threaten the mother. The vast majority of these abortions are this so lets talk about that.

by atraindust on 06/03/2009 10:23:43 AM EST

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1 in 1000? (4.00 / 4)
Hmmm... if you're willing to overlook this issue, what else don't you want to talk about?

Face it: you believe that a fetus has more rights than a woman.  That's why your argument can't win.

by EveningStarNM on 06/03/2009 10:32:57 AM EST

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I dont think (2.67 / 2)
a fetus has more rights than a woman. I dont want to have race between women and unborn babies for more rights either. I just wish you werent immoral enough to think that killing a third trimester fetus was like taking out the garbage. Youre either brainwashed by watching liberal talk all day or I am going to start believing Gods and Devils because you are evil. But this is getting away from the point. I dont want to sound like I am supporting this guy who killed that doc. You cant just go around killing people, especially if youre mad because they killed someone that doesnt make any sense. Thats not order or justice. Thats chaos and a society I dont want to live in. I hope he goes to jail for life.

by atraindust on 06/03/2009 11:12:01 AM EST

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Finally! Some meat to dissect! (4.60 / 4)
"I dont want to have race between women and unborn babies for more rights either."

But that's exactly what the abortion debate is all about: a conflict of rights of which there is no doubt that a woman has and of which there is little doubt that a zygote lacks, despite cries from the so-called "pro-life" movement.

"I just wish you werent immoral enough to think that killing a third trimester fetus was like taking out the garbage."

You lost me there, but you never really had me, anyway.  If you want to be taken seriously, try to avoid putting words in your opponent's mouth that he can later shove down your throat as a outright lies.

"Youre either brainwashed by watching liberal talk all day or I am going to start believing Gods and Devils because you are evil."

The final indicator that you know you've lost the argument.

"You cant just go around killing people..."

And now we come full circle: when does the combination of a sperm and an egg become a person?  I've answered that question.  You've avoided it (I'm not sure why).  The debate ends there.

I won't be returning to this thread.  You're obvious hostility and unwillingness to confront the core issues of the problem makes further discussion unproductive, and you've become uninteresting.

by EveningStarNM on 06/03/2009 12:30:24 PM EST

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youre dissection was a joke (2.33 / 2)
i never said a zygote has rights a six month old baby isnt a zygote though of course now who is putting words in someones mouth. A sperm and egg become a life to me before it comes out of the womb not at creation but at some point before birth and to you it seems that it happens when it comes out of a women like the outside air is magic and breaths life into the previously lifeless baby. thats why i say you act like its taking out the trash because its just simple i mean you keep using these terms like obviously, simple, or no doubt. Nothing about figuring out when does a sperm and egg get rights is obvious or simple. i am against late term abortions unless there are these medical reasons and for it where these are the reasons as well so eborujion i dont know whats youre beef. and i am FOR stem cell research i was saying that killing a 6 month baby ISNT like a packet of cells for SCR its something different

by atraindust on 06/03/2009 07:46:58 PM EST

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No truce after all, Ken? (4.00 / 2)
You just can't control your obsession with me, can you?  You'll even lie to try to get my attention -- I mean, it was you, wasn't it, who started things off by publishing an old street address of mine.  

Turnabout will always be fair play in my book, Ken.  You took it upon yourself to publish information about me without my consent.  Do you expect to be treated differently?

Oh!  Right.  Aside from being a psychopath, you're also a hypocrite!  I should have known.

You should have kept the truce, Ken, but I guess an attention-starved piece of shit like you just can't help but dig himself a deeper hole.

by EveningStarNM on 06/03/2009 01:11:52 PM EST

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Really? (4.33 / 2)
Then why did you publish one of my old street addresses?  I never published that address.  Why did you publish even a part of my cell number?  I've never published it here.  And why did you publish two of my email addresses?

Because you "refused" to?  Or because you were trying to intimidate me?

Is there any other evidence besides your current behavior needed to prove that you are a psychopathic liar?  Could there be any better demonstration in this forum that you simply enjoy hurting people for no reason whatsoever?

Are you upset that you have failed to intimidate me, Ken?  Did you think that when you published my address that I wouldn't publish yours?  Or weren't you thinking that far ahead?

And how did you get that information about me, Ken?  I got my information about you off of public web sites.  Where did you get the list of my previous residences?  It certainly isn't on the public web.

Are you trying to claim that my invitition was more than an invitation for you to prove what a creep you are, which you have so thoroughly done?

And why have you never listed those "threats" that you say that I've made to you?  Why have you not reported them to the authorities, since you claim that I've committed some crime against you.  Are you a coward?  Are you afraid that I might do something if you reported me?  Or are you afraid that the police would arrest you for wasting their time?

And to whom are you writing these insane posts, Ken?  Do you really think that anyone will think anything more than that you are a horrible excuse for human excrement?

Go ahead, Ken.  Please.  Keep playing your impotent, psychopathic, homophobic games.  There are still people who haven't seen you in action and who don't know how mentally deranged you are.  Every time you post, someone new sees you for how you are, and they wonder why you're not locked up.

by EveningStarNM on 06/03/2009 11:09:32 PM EST

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YOU have a conscience??? (4.33 / 2)

ROFLMAO!

What will you think of next!

by EveningStarNM on 06/04/2009 02:31:33 AM EST

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How many times are you going to tell this lie, Ken (4.33 / 2)
Did I post a list of my previous residences ANYWHERE?  Do you really think it's okay for you to post any information about me for any reason whatsoever?  Are you anything other than an immoral, lying sack of shit who deliberately tries to hurt people strictly for his own entertainment?

C'mon, Ken.  I know you've got a bunch more rationalizations for what you did.  Lay 'em out!  Let's see 'em!  Everybody's waiting for your next one!

by EveningStarNM on 06/04/2009 02:37:08 AM EST

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By the way... (4.33 / 2)
You did NOT get my addresses off of any public web site.  You PAID to get that list.

Why did you do that, Ken?  Did you feel "threatened"?  You poor thing!  Is that why you felt compelled to publish it here?

Oh!  Right.  You just wanted to intimidate me, didn't you!  Gosh, Ken.  I'm so sorry that it didn't work!

Stop it!  You're killing me!

by EveningStarNM on 06/04/2009 02:42:10 AM EST

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Good, Ken! (4.00 / 1)
More! More!  Just keep digging yourself in deeper and deeper.

You really can't control yourself, can you?  Your obsession with me just drives you to post irrelevancies and personal attacks and to ignore all of the social norms that others know make a civil society.  Completely unprovoked, you entered this thread threatening to give my personal information to a stranger.  Why would you do that, Ken?

This is very revealing.  Once again, you show your true character.  Your posting of my information without my consent is more descriptive of your character than anything I could possibly say about you.

Please!  Don't stop now!  Keep it up!  I'm interested in seeing the full extent of your obsession with me, Ken.  Is it sexual?  Do you get some deep sexual pleasure when I respond to your attacks?  Is that what it really is, Ken?  Are you simply sexually attracted to a man and that's why you're so hostile?  That's actually a well-known phenomenon, Ken.  Lots of men who are afraid to admit that they're homosexual erupt in the kind of antisocial attacks that you demonstrate.  But the ones who can accept their sexuality are the ones who escape their unhappiness and eventually find fulfillment.

But I'm sorry, Ken.  I'm just not interested in you "that way".  I'm just not gay.  It's not that I think you're a bad person for having such desires for me, although I wish you were more honest about it.  There's nothing wrong with being gay.  It's just that I'm not that way, and I couldn't give you the satisfaction that you so obviously crave.

by EveningStarNM on 06/03/2009 04:20:47 PM EST

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Really? (3.00 / 1)
You know this guy? Does he work with you in the accounts department at Chemtura?

by OneHitKill on 06/03/2009 01:33:00 PM EST

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Hey! Ken is back with his LBJdim ID! (4.00 / 1)

by EveningStarNM on 06/03/2009 04:26:28 PM EST

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Oops! (none / 0)
I was wrong.  It turns out that LBJdim isn't KenTX.

by EveningStarNM on 07/12/2009 01:25:17 AM EST

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WTF? (4.33 / 2)

Are you fücking crazy? You are really equating a medical doctor who provided one of the most unpleasant yet absolutely necessary services on this planet to women in desperate need for such a procedure with a pedophile? You are truly a despicable person! First of all, what Dr. Tiller did was legal, second: he did it for very good medical reasons, third: only if all other options were exhausted. We're not talking about that "omg, not another one, I better go to the abortionist to shave it away" kind of mindset, but life-threatening conditions for the mother, and, most of the time: new-borns not being able to survive on their own and without any chance of improving, like babies without heads or brains who would have died at birth anyway or in slightly better cases suffered through some excruciating days to weeks before being relieved.

Just for the record: I'm against any late-term abortions in cases where neither of those conditions are met.

Late-term abortion is in most of those rare and extreme cases the most merciful treatment there is to alleviate human suffering. I don't get that kind of pseudo-"pro-life" at all... You'd have rather prolonged and unnecessary agony than a quick merciful death. Just like having 100 starving children in some slum in SA is WAY better than allowing to use condoms.

Besides that: your statement "we arent talking about a packet of cells for stem cell research" sounds like you think abortions are performed to harvest stem cells! Well, you're WRONG. Stem cell researchers just emtpy the haz-mat trash-cans -figuratively speaking- at the abortions done anyway.

And, as others have pointed out: if that hideous act of violence doesn't constitute terrorism then nothing does! The difference between that and killing criminals is that the law would have penalized them anyway (if convicted), so you are acting as a vigilante, i.e. punishing them instead of the law! Terrorism by definition is an act of violence to push an agenda and to spread terror on people not directly responsible for the percieved evil.

by eborujion on 06/03/2009 11:46:39 AM EST

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