What magically happens when the baby comes out the birth canal that makes it a person all of the sudden? Maybe we should be able to kill babies when theyre 1 yrs old I mean theyre still dependent on others to stay alive and their brains arent fully developed and they wont remember any of this time period when they grow up...... so I guess we can call in a Dr. and put the kid down if the parents arent ready to take responsibility for their actions. OK done with the rant. Now this guy obviously handled the situation wrong and there is a system set up that you have to go through. You cant just kill people and take justice into your own hands. Like if someone killed my mom I would want to kill them but I wouldnt. I am a liberal but I cant follow you guys on this late term abortion crap. When is a baby a life with rights? Piss on that Doc and piss on any of you who support abortions at any point!!!!!!

by atraindust on 06/02/2009 09:42:59 PM EST

"What magically happens when the baby comes out the birth canal that makes it a person all of the sudden?

Personhood is a legal definition.  When a fetus emerges from the birth canal it takes its first breath and becomes conscious.  That's when the baby is legally classified as a "person", complete with all the rights conferred on persons.

I'm reminded of when Henry Hyde, chair of the House Judiciary Committee, held hearings against what he falsely called "partial birth abortion", which is correctly called "dilation and extraction", a procedure used to abort a pregnancy in the third trimester.  A woman testified before him who had had that procedure.  Rep. Hyde called her evil.  The woman had been pregnant with a fetus having no skull, intestines growing outside of its body, and no chance to live.  And, according to her doctor, giving birth to it was a risk to the mother.  Hyde wanted her to go through with the birth anyway.

There are reasons that even third-trimester abortions are necessary, but the Hyde Amendment forces women to risk their lives for his immoral certainty.

When do a woman's rights prevail over those of an unborn fetus?

Always.  It's as simple as that.

by EveningStarNM on 06/03/2009 12:01:53 AM EST

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Hyde is not now the Chair of the House Judiciary Committee.  He's dead now, and the hearings were held in 1997.

I'd say "rest in peace" to Mr. Hyde, but I try not to be a hypocrite.

by EveningStarNM on 06/03/2009 12:08:34 AM EST

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severed, and there are no external medical devices aiding its life continuing; and after its mother says it does.

by gatekeeper50 on 06/02/2009 09:56:04 PM EST

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a cold blooded heartless bastard if you think a baby before that cord gets cut or before the mother says it is a baby is just a desposable thing

by atraindust on 06/02/2009 10:07:16 PM EST

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war based on lies and false confessions extracted by torture, out CIA agents for political motivation, hire other cold blooded heartless bastards to occupy nations and force the residents to flee or be killed in their own neighborhoods, and believe they have any say over what a woman does concerning her own reproductive choices extending to what I previously stated.  It is her body, her morals, and her spirit she must contend with having made that choice.

by gatekeeper50 on 06/03/2009 01:12:35 AM EST

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talking about abortion and you bring up CIA agents and unjustified wars. Like my first post said sober up!!!!

by atraindust on 06/03/2009 10:57:43 AM EST

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unjustified war on this forum, I was merely equating you with the cold blooded heartless people that you have associated yourself with.

by gatekeeper50 on 06/03/2009 03:07:43 PM EST

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myself with anyone. What are you talking about? I am against the war in Iraq and I hate Bush. Cheney even more. They should go to prison but they wont because politicians are about just that POLITICS. I am against torture please dont associate me with Republicans. Because I am against late term abortions unless the women is in danger or the baby wont live dosnt make me a republican. Its sad that everyone gets into these camps and if you disagree on 1 issue then you arent part of that camp. Thats why I say Cenk has groupies. I wonder if people just make up their mind when the people they listen to tells them their idea. Sometimes I think some Turks are just RLimbaugh fanatics at the other end of the spectrum. I wouldnt be a member of the Youngturks if I associated with the past administration.

by atraindust on 06/03/2009 08:07:23 PM EST

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breath (or breast), I'm a bit too old to be anybody's groupie.  Cenk has stated in the past he is in line with the current Roe v Wade decision's limitations on abortion.  I, on the other hand, believe the mother has sole and final say on reproductive choice until the child is born and living without external medical assistance.  Since I can never have an abortion, nor put any female in the position of making that choice (vasectomy), my belief will have little impact on civilization other than letting others that share the same thoughts know they aren't alone.  I applied no label to you when I wrote my first statement, and I only camp out with my wife.

by gatekeeper50 on 06/03/2009 09:15:47 PM EST

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Don't know, why don't you tell us?

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 06/03/2009 12:26:06 AM EST

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