with animals like fish and lizards is that their brains dont really make choices in the same way. they much more genetically driven in their choices compared to mammals and great apes. what the examples of animals being homosexual shows that even when driven by mostly genetic impulses homosexuality occurs. which means it's more like being born black, asian, or blue eyed (minus the fact that those examples are inherited while homosexuality, currently has no proof of inheritance).

 

not to say that gay marriage shouldn't be allowed even if it WERE a choice. proving that it's natural is simply a destruction of one of the religious group's main arguments, that being the one where they say it's unnatural therefore it's "wrong."

by kingbane on 06/11/2009 05:49:05 PM EST

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I'm not so sure that's relevant. This addresses the question of free will in a way. The degree of freedom humans actually exert (if any...i know, i know) is hugely debatable.
I'm not tryin to get a debate on free will going...that could take years, lol. I'm just saying to call something a "choice" is not really a meaningful designator.

by LadyFriend on 06/11/2009 06:05:30 PM EST

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OK, I hear your second argument although the religious argument "it's unnatural therefore it's wrong" is pretty weird.

If the unnatural attribute is a rational reason for banning something, religions has to be banned foremost. Never heard about a lizard church...

by snoewchen on 06/11/2009 06:06:47 PM EST

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I will use that in the future...good one!

by LadyFriend on 06/11/2009 06:10:31 PM EST

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religion SHOULD be banned cause it's unnatural!

by kingbane on 06/11/2009 06:20:20 PM EST

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of course, humans have dominion over other animals, so we are the only ones allowed by god to have churches.  If the lizards built a church it would be disrespectful to god.
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BTW, I always wondered if humans still have dominion over the lion while the human is sitting, torn up and bloody, inside the lion's stomach. (sorry for the image)

by birdboy1 on 06/11/2009 06:22:27 PM EST

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