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I suppose I should not have used the term objective morality and stuck to the other term I used, secular morality.  Either that or stressed objective morality people can agree upon.  For example, I think we can all agree that killing someone just because they disagree with you is not a moral action.  Stealing someone's car simply because it is more preferable to your car is not a moral action.  Stealing a loaf of bread to feed your starving family is certainly a different situation if you can't work for, beg, or borrow the money required to buy it honestly.  I don't think I would be in favor of punishing that person assuming that particular situation.  Really, my main point is that a piece of legislation should be based on better reasoning than the fact that a religious text or authority demands it.  I believe that some if not all of the examples I provided in my previous post illustrate that. 

I will rehash the example I used of abstinence only sex education.  We have no facts to back up the effectiveness of these types of programs.  They were forced into school curriculums based on certain Christian beliefs that sex before marriage is wrong and various forms of contraception are wrong.  We have blown large amounts of tax dollars from many different religions or schools of thought on this when the effectiveness of these programs have not been demonstrated.  Also of importance is the fact that many religions and many people without a specific religion do not agree that sex before marriage or contraception is wrong in all cases.  This is an example of legislation based on religion and it is unacceptable.  If these programs had been shown to be more effective than programs stressing safe sex my complaints would be invalid regardless of where the idea for abstinence only came from.  But they are not effective and they do come from religious thought.  Therefore, the legislation reeks of religious dogma and is an example of religion harming society.

by marklar1 on 06/18/2009 04:28:48 AM EST

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Thanks, but (none / 0)
"I think we can all agree that killing someone just because they disagree with you is not a moral action."

I'll have to get back to you on that one.

But as far as abstinence-only education is concerned, all we have to do is to look at the incidence of teen pregnancies in areas where abstinence-only education is used to the exclusion of everything else.  The abstinence-only approach is a failure.

Bristol Palin should be adequate proof of that.

Oh.  Okay.  I'll stop killing people just because they disagree with me.  Sheesh!  You're taking all the fun out of debate!

by EveningStarNM on 06/18/2009 08:17:06 AM EST

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Who needs debate (none / 0)
when you can have a crusade?  Think about it; your own little genocide on any religion you want!  Don't like atheists?  Shoot up the church of the flying spaghetti monster!  They'll be sorry they ever mocked you when they go to hell with their socialized medicine.  But I recommend the more classy approach: the war against liberals!  I, for one, am tired of their snide remarks and sarcastic imitations of us fundamentalists.  I'm tired of their science, which I don't understand anyway. I'm tired of their "logic"(who needs logic anyway, when you have faith.)  I'm tired of their promotion of equal rights.  First they forced me get rid of my slaves, and then they tell me I can't beat my wife, and now they're gonna make it illegal for me to shoot the gay couple down the street.  And then they tell me that abortion is right!  Who cares about the woman's life;  there could be a boy in her belly and everyone knows that's why the baby's life is so much more important than the mother's.
I'm sorry for rambling; my point is, Tired of those annoying liberals?  Join me in my crusade against anything liberal!

by birdboy1 on 06/18/2009 08:34:27 AM EST

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OOPS (none / 0)
I forgot to tell you that the views expressed in the previous comment are not necessarily the views of the author.

Because you obviously couldn't tell

by birdboy1 on 06/18/2009 08:44:10 AM EST

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and I forgot to say there (none / 0)
that yes you obviously could tell, I was joking again

by birdboy1 on 06/18/2009 10:26:38 AM EST

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Silly bird :) (none / 0)

by EveningStarNM on 06/18/2009 03:36:23 PM EST

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