Thoughts on animal welfare, animal rights, etc. | 58 comments (58 topical, 0 hidden)
Seriously??? (5.00 / 2)
"Animals are animals...people are people"

Hmmm...did you miss biology101? People are animals...
Evolution is not linear. We are not the peak of evolution. We are just different (in some ways) from other species. BTW, we are much much more similar to other species than we are different.
If that is really your argument, then at what point in evolution do you think "people" emerged? Did neanderthals count? Homo erectus? Homo ergaster? Where is that line.
BTW...personhood is a different discussion.

by LadyFriend on 06/28/2009 01:15:23 PM EST

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My poor, dense Ladyfriend.... (1.50 / 2)
The discussion at hand was about "rights", not physiology. In these terms, there is a distinct and obvious difference - animals do not and should not have "HUMAN" rights - nature does not afford them that luxury and neither should we... :)

by bobo1 on 06/29/2009 12:10:01 PM EST

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Poor, dense bobo (4.50 / 2)
What is it about humans that you think justifies us having rights and other animals not to have rights. I'll say it again...you do know that we are animals, right?
I actually don't see a distinct and obvious difference. Even if I did, that's the same argument that was used to deny rights to African Americans and Women. They are inferior and therefore should not be granted the same rights as white men.
It seems natural to think that humanity is somehow special because of our rationality. However, when faced with evidence, that argument falls apart.
I guess I don't hear an argument from you...only an assumption that humans are better. Why not just cut it off at Americans?

by LadyFriend on 06/29/2009 12:31:51 PM EST

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Density (none / 1)
OK...I feel bad about the name-calling. You started it, but I should not have stooped to your level. That's all I have to say.

by LadyFriend on 06/29/2009 03:51:47 PM EST

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Dont feel bad... (none / 1)
I don't - and as to your utter lack of clue when it concerns the basics of what the poster was trying to represent, let me tell you once again - I am not arguing the FACT that humans are in fact animals, and that we evolve from the same groupings of other Mammals and related species - I am stating the FACT that we are superior to them precisely due to our grasp of logic, rationality and manipulation of our environment - WE ARE BETTER THAN OTHER ANIMALS!!! Now your contention about how this is "the same way we treated" African Americans and women etc. is a completely different avenue to travel because on those terms, you are speaking of EQUAL members of identical species - When comparing and contrasting DIFFERENT species of life on this planet, we are dominant to all others. Period. There is no debate or contention to be had... Is that to say we should treat animals badly? Of course not. But yet this begs the question "Should we treat animals as equals?" And that answer has to be NO... :)

by bobo1 on 06/29/2009 05:18:02 PM EST

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OK... (none / 1)
I wish you didn't feel the need to be insulting, but I will continue to do my best not to retaliate. I'll just say that I don't appreciate you saying that I don't understand my position.
So...you think that in the past African Americans were not seen as an inferior species/breed of human? The answer to that is obvious to anyone looking at the question...some people still argue that some races are inferior to others and therefore are deserving of fewer rights.
Your argument only works if you consider intelligence as the only prerequisite for rights. I don't know if you missed the point of the rest of this post, but that's what we are discussing. I will ask again...why do you think that intelligence is the primary factor?

by LadyFriend on 06/29/2009 05:35:07 PM EST

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By the way... (none / 1)
YOU missed the point...evolution is not linear. Period. Dominance is relative based on the criteria you choose to use.

by LadyFriend on 06/29/2009 05:36:18 PM EST

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Should we treat animals as equals (none / 0)
Dont you want to be treated as equal?

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 06/29/2009 11:05:23 PM EST

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Equal to you, Tiny??? (1.00 / 2)
I would never choose to be equal to you, Tiny - Even most animals are above you in most peoples opinion... :)

by bobo1 on 06/30/2009 11:54:59 AM EST

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ad hominem (none / 0)
Why don't you try to add something useful or intelligent to the conversations. It seems like you are just getting off on calling people names. It's boring and a waste of time.

by LadyFriend on 06/30/2009 12:47:51 PM EST

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not to mention (none / 0)
It also makes people less likely to read your future comments, and even less likely to take what you say seriously.

by birdboy1 on 06/30/2009 01:42:40 PM EST

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I skip him right by usually (5.00 / 2)
I just scroll right past  

There has been very interesting conversations lately with many differing view points.

I guess we dont "need"  right wing nuttery to keep it interesting after all.

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 06/30/2009 02:16:58 PM EST

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Could a older forum regular... (none / 1)
Tell "BirdBoy" and "LadyDense" here what my purpose and role is here at TYT? Thanks... :)

by bobo1 on 06/30/2009 02:02:14 PM EST

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Bob Owen: A Reintroduction (5.00 / 2)

bobo's "purpose" is to fill threads with ad hominem attacks, racist/hateful rants, and the occasional simple minded "common sense" argument.  But mostly, he's just here to suck Ken off for gratis, and fill his quota of right wing talking point posts so he can collect his check from the RNC.  After time, you'll learn that debating him is circular and fruitless.  It's better to just mock him from the outset like the rest of us do.

Oh.  And he's also good for a disengenuous "epiphany" every once in a while.  Remember that one?

(God I love my bobo bookmark folder.  Always good for a laugh.)

by Spencer on 06/30/2009 03:18:12 PM EST

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no can do (none / 0)
Tell "BirdBoy" and "LadyDense" here what my purpose and role is here at TYT? Thanks... :)

That would require someone to actually give a shit

you are on your own I guess

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 06/30/2009 02:18:11 PM EST

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I know (none / 0)
I know you're a troll and that's your role. I have seen enough of your posts to know that. I just don't understand why you don't actually say something useful if you disagree. I can't stand Ken's posts most of the time, but at least he can sometimes say what he thinks and why. (Not that's he's necessarily any better). You have added nothing useful to this conversation. If that's what you're here for then troll on.

by LadyFriend on 06/30/2009 02:39:52 PM EST

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It only took what- (none / 0)
Three days and you are back to being an idiot?

You seem to thrive on abuse. I doubt people here are interested in providing you the attention you can't find in real life. Maybe you need to take another "vacation?"

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 06/30/2009 05:40:50 PM EST

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a lot of people forget that (none / 1)
WE are animals too. Or just simply try to disprove it with mystical fairy tales.

In the whole thread  no one had pointed that out.

I was thinking the whole animal vs human rights thing was getting off the point.

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 06/29/2009 01:46:13 AM EST

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No offense (none / 0)
I forget where I heard this, but I was watching a youtube clip about parents not wanting EVILution taught to their kids. The dad stood up and started ranting about the teacher calling his kid an animal. Oh....ignorance.

by LadyFriend on 06/29/2009 09:29:16 AM EST

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Thoughts on animal welfare, animal rights, etc. | 58 comments (58 topical, 0 hidden)